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Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??

Iminei

Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« on: April 01, 2021, 18:51:16 PM »
The other day, as I lifted the lid to The Splurgess I watched, with some horror, as an open curved safety pin slid into my machine !!!

The incriminating item ...

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Where it entered the machine

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Now theres a sort of noise when I sew and Im hoping theres an easy way to get rid of the SP ...

Its a Janome Atelier 7 ....

Any help please???
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Efemera

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2021, 20:42:51 PM »
Can you unscrew the cover and have a look inside?

Mr Twingo

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2021, 20:45:21 PM »
So, the safety pin is still in there? What type of noise is the machine making?

Iminei

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2021, 21:35:12 PM »
Can you unscrew the cover and have a look inside

Thats what Im hoping you can take me through .. How to remove the side by the wheel thingy...
Yes its still there and the noise sounds like a safety pin against the wheel thingy ?? I dont know

But I do know its different to how it normally sounds and I really cant afford £75 for an engineer to look at it.
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Mr Twingo

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2021, 23:22:28 PM »
Have a look on the bottom of the machine. I'm pretty sure there is a way to access the innards from down under.

Also, look at the diagram at the bottom of page 3 of the user guide. The unmarked circles are where there are screws; they are most likely covered with plastic caps that are easily removed using a small flat-head screw driver. If there is no access from beneath, then try removing the panel where the hand wheel is. As a last resort, the rear panel may need to be removed.

Undoubtedly, there will be awkward clips holding everything together. Gentle prising with an old credit card may help with levering the panels apart.

Esme866

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2021, 06:13:12 AM »
I have a much older, simpler Janome.

#1 - I would not run the machine for any reason until the pin is removed. All kinds of expensive goodies in that end could get screwed up under there, making that £75 look like a bargain.

I needed to grease my gears and my manual gave zero instructions for getting into that end of the machine. I got a couple of pieces of paper and just started removing screws until all the necessary covers came off. I laid the screws on the paper with notes written under them to put things back.

Everything worked out fine. In your case, with just the top off, you may be able to use a magnet or a piece of stiff floral wire with the end forming a hook to reach in and remove the pin. Might even be able to do so thru the slot it slipped into.

Good luck. Hopefully someone else will have more specific info.

Iminei

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2021, 09:23:14 AM »
Thx for your replies folks ... @Esme866  I dare not use a magnet as its a computerised machine!

I will see if I can muster up the minerals (and the necessary screwdrivers) to have a look this weekend ..

Any other advice???

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Efemera

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2021, 09:24:34 AM »
Take pictures before and as you are taking it  apart...

Lilian

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2021, 10:04:40 AM »
@Iminei do you have a pair of forces, they might help retrieve the culprit.
Willing but not always able :)

Iminei

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2021, 10:10:43 AM »
The gap isnt that wide @Lilian
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Mr Twingo

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2021, 10:12:08 AM »
Any other advice???

In addition to photos, keep a note of where each screw came from. I sketch the object I'm working on, and stick the screws to the diagram using Blue Tack. It makes reassembly much easier.

Bodgeitandscarper

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2021, 11:15:10 AM »
Just me that's itching to dive in there with my screwdriver?  Wish I lived closer!

coffeeandcake

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2021, 11:33:54 AM »
That's exactly what I would do @Bodgeitandscarper.

BrendaP

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2021, 12:46:23 PM »
Just take out the necessary screws to see inside. 

So long as you don't fiddle with any of the workings removing the cover won't do any harm, and it's very likely that teh offending pin will be easiy retrievable.
Brenda.  My machines are: Corona, a 1953 Singer 201K-3, Caroline, a 1940 Singer 201K-3, Thirza, 1949 Singer 221K, Azilia, 1957 Singer 201K-MK2 and Vera, a Husqvarna 350 SewEasy about 20 years old. Also Bernina 1150 overlocker and Elna 444 Coverstitcher.
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Lilian

Re: Errrrmmm Technical Chaps ... Is this Possible ??
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2021, 15:59:28 PM »
I wouldn't hesitate to unscrew that top section and dive in with forceps   :)
Willing but not always able :)