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All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers

Marniesews

All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« on: May 05, 2018, 15:47:56 PM »
I recently got a used copy of Sewing Secrets from the Fashion Industry on the recommendation of Johanna Lundström and am really finding it both interesting and instructive. It's densely packed with information and lots of interesting nerdy bits including this information about serging/overlocking. I do like nerdy sewing info.  ;)  :)

I've always assumed that serging and overlocking mean the same thing but apparently not...not if we're being picky anyway - and who doesn't enjoy that? It seems that (according to Susan Huxley) strictly speaking 'serging' only relates to the 5-thread stitch which produces an overlocked edge that includes a chain stitched seam. This and the other stitches all fall into the overlocking stitch category rather than serging.

I've not heard that before...but now we know. I'm such a sucker for a technical term!  0_0

Aka Jacky F in a former life...

SkoutSews

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2018, 17:00:48 PM »
You're not alone in liking nerdy info. That's interesting. I'd always assumed that 'serging' was the American English term for 'overlocking', but it seems to be more specific than that.

So my 4 thread overlocker can never be described as a serger?

Marniesews

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2018, 18:05:55 PM »
So my 4 thread overlocker can never be described as a serger?

Not if you want to be strictly accurate it would seem.

of course I don't take everything I read at face value but the 5 authors of this book (edited by Susan Huxley) all have very substantial CVs so I wouldn't argue with them either. I'm really enjoying reading it well beyond the specific areas that I got it wanting to dip into.

Aka Jacky F in a former life...

elephun

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2018, 18:10:15 PM »
Interesting! It is excellent to know that there is, according to Susan Huxley, a difference. I’d always known that stitch to be called a 5 thread safety stitch, which my machine can’t do as it’s only got 4 threads.

I generally call what I have a serger and what I do with it, serging. That is, unless I’m talking about the specific stitch I’m using, such as 4 thread overlock, or 3 thread overlock, or rolled hem. Yes, I’m in the US.

Marniesews

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2018, 18:29:39 PM »
I don't see anyone changing much over this new revelation, @elephun, but it's interesting to know.

I've just been hoovering with my Miele.  :D
Aka Jacky F in a former life...

elephun

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2018, 18:58:03 PM »
You make me laugh!

wrenkins

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2018, 06:41:53 AM »
Have I fallen into pedants corner? How did I miss this?!?! I do like a bit of pedantryism.  :loveit:
I wouldn't know a overlocker/serger if it fell on my head but I read all about them in the hope of learning. You never know, I might need one someday.  :)
I never Hoover and I too have a Miele.
Fashion fades, style is forever!

Sewingsue

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2018, 08:21:10 AM »
I love my Miele, but it is so easy to talk about hoovering.
Bernina Aurora 440QE, Brother BC-2500, Singer 99K (1938), Silver Viscount 620D overlocker.

Ohsewsimple

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2018, 18:25:04 PM »
Interesting!
Another one who hovers with a Miele.  Well, if I'm being honest, DH does most of it as he,s retired.  :D

Sewingforfun

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2018, 22:29:25 PM »
That is fascinating about overlocking vs serging! I'd always thought it was just a US vs UK thing. But while we are on terminology, being American I "vacuum" with my Miele, but I reach for "a Kleenex" (not "a tissue") when I sneeze ...
Trying to remember sewing is for fun! Used to be  CarolC.

BrendaP

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2018, 23:59:28 PM »
According to Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlock
In the United States, the term "overlocker" has largely been replaced by "serger". However, in other parts of the world such as Australia and the UK, the term "overlocker" is still in use.

ETA:  On the Craftsy website (American) they refer to the machines as sergers but the stitches they make are overlock stitches.
https://www.craftsy.com/sewing/article/what-does-this-serger-stitch-do/
« Last Edit: May 14, 2018, 00:03:38 AM by BrendaP »
Brenda.  My machines are: Caroline a Singer 201K-3 born 1940, Thirza a Featherweight 221K born 1949, Azilia a Singer 201K born 1957 and Vera, a Husqvarna 350 SewEasy about 20 years old. Also Bernina 1150 overlocker and Elna 444 Coverstitcher.
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/

Bodgeitandscarper

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2018, 12:07:09 PM »
I hate it when people use the term "hoover" for a vacuum cleaner!  Me, I go "Sharking" with mine  0_0  0_0  No, I don't really say that, I actually vacuum the carpets, although I might reach for a biro or a j-cloth or the sellotape.

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« Last Edit: May 14, 2018, 12:11:19 PM by Bodgeitandscarper »

Marniesews

Re: All cats are animals but not all animals are...sergers
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2018, 16:32:12 PM »
I hate it when people use the term "hoover" for a vacuum cleaner!

Oh dear, that must be one of the most entrenched I'd have thought. Don't think I can get out of it now after all these years, I was probably in my 30's before our hoover wasn't a Hoover. Not had one since but it's there for life I suspect. I could never call a pen a biro though!  :o :S 0_0
Aka Jacky F in a former life...