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"dress material"

sewingj

"dress material"
« on: January 10, 2019, 20:43:17 PM »
I always used to buy dress material, then I had a break from sewing. When I returned to it about 5 years ago I discovered material had turned into "fabric". When did it happen?

Knitting wool seems to be turning into yarn now!

Efemera

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2019, 20:46:54 PM »
About the same time they started selling it in 1/4 and 1/2 meters and cutting it out with rotary cutters.

BrendaP

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 20:56:21 PM »
Material and fabric are, I suppose, synonyms but wool and yarn are not.  'Material' or 'fabric' is just a small part of how the English language is continually changing.

Wool comes from the back of a sheep and can be spun into yarn, but then so can so many other fibres; cotton, acrylic, nylon, silk.......   To label a ball of acrylic as 'wool' would be incorrect and would be against trade descriptions. 
Brenda.  My machines are: Caroline a Singer 201K-3 born 1940, Thirza a Featherweight 221K born 1949, Azilia a Singer 201K born 1957 and Vera, a Husqvarna 350 SewEasy about 20 years old. Also Bernina 1150 overlocker and Elna 444 Coverstitcher.
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Francesca

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2019, 21:21:55 PM »
Yes the "wool" part is true. "Wool" is a sort of descriptor for all "yarn" in the UK but in other countries they make the distinction. I still generally refer to things as "wool" even when they are not made of a wool but "yarn" is more correct.

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Wool comes from the back of a sheep

Not only sheep, as wool comes from other animals too e.g alpaca, llama, goat .

As for fabric/material I guess it is just down to what makes sense to you. "Material" to me is much more generic, (you can make things from other material too... like wood or metal). Fabric seems to be more specific.

Interestingly, material has become less popular in usage since around the 1940s (though this is for all uses of the word, not specifically sewing-related) whereas fabric has grown in usage.
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toileandtrouble

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2019, 21:32:30 PM »
And a tailor calls it 'cloth'.
Annoyed that people on ebay call everything 'wool'.  How can I search for yarn that is made of wool when they do that?  Exasperating.

Efemera

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2019, 21:34:29 PM »
Wool= Hoover

SkoutSews

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2019, 22:15:49 PM »
It's still 'material' for me, though I'm starting to use 'fabric' more. Also I still talk (think) about 'cotton', not 'thread'.

sewingj

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 08:15:42 AM »
It's still 'material' for me, though I'm starting to use 'fabric' more. Also I still talk (think) about 'cotton', not 'thread'.

Me too - I recently went into a shop and asked for navy blue cotton and the assistant walked over to the quilting fabric(/material)

BrendaP

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 09:02:35 AM »
As a lacemaker I use linen thread, silk thread, etc as well as cotton thread, so being specific is automatic, and maybe that's part of the reason why I always say yarn when referring to the stuff I knit with.
Brenda.  My machines are: Caroline a Singer 201K-3 born 1940, Thirza a Featherweight 221K born 1949, Azilia a Singer 201K born 1957 and Vera, a Husqvarna 350 SewEasy about 20 years old. Also Bernina 1150 overlocker and Elna 444 Coverstitcher.
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/

Marniesews

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2019, 14:39:57 PM »
Annoyed that people on ebay call everything 'wool'.  How can I search for yarn that is made of wool when they do that?  Exasperating.
As a recall, all the wool shops in the 1960s, and there were many,  called & labelled their product "knitting wool". I have my own personal hair styling rant about the use of "product" that I'll save for another time. 

Knitting wool is what I remember my mum using in conversation rather than just "wool". The change of usage in the interim to wool alone was an evolution too but then adding yet further confusion between types of material be it yarn or fabric.

Sadly that won't help you in your search though @toileandtrouble.
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BrendaP

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2019, 00:21:44 AM »
Until well into the 1950s just about everything one knitted with was wool, and it's taken a long time for some people to get used to the idea that there are now lots of other fibres around.
Brenda.  My machines are: Caroline a Singer 201K-3 born 1940, Thirza a Featherweight 221K born 1949, Azilia a Singer 201K born 1957 and Vera, a Husqvarna 350 SewEasy about 20 years old. Also Bernina 1150 overlocker and Elna 444 Coverstitcher.
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/

Renegade Sewist

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2019, 03:53:53 AM »
Wool= Hoover

And I just bought a real Hoover to Hoover with. Cracks me up every time I vacuum.  :devil:
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Sewgorgeous

Re: "dress material"
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2019, 23:39:33 PM »
I need to change saying 'dressmaking' to 'clothes making'