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Coats Moon Thread v Gütermann Sew All


Coats Moon Thread v Gütermann Sew All
« on: April 22, 2019, 11:26:04 AM »
Following on from the discussion about using overlocker cones on a regular machine which turned into discusson about Moon thread.

Moon is made by Coats but it's not found on their main website under products -> threads

But I did find
and from the full product specification sheet.pdf I get the info that it's a staple spun polyester thread and comes in four sizes:
Ticket 30 = 80 Tex
Ticket 50 = 60 Tex
Ticket 75 = 40 Tex
Ticket 120 = 27 Tex.

A lot of retailers just say "Moon" with no indication of the size, but those who do give a size say 120, which is the finest in the Moon range.

Going back to the Coats website  and selecting staple spun polyester from the substrate tab  the only products are Astra, which comes in seventeen different thicknesses, also Astra FH (which is anti-wicking for tampon removal) and Astra Rugged for sewing denim.

So I suspect that Moon is actually Astra in a special put-up for the domestic market.

Güterman SewAll is the domestic put-up of Gütermann Mara 100.

Mara is also a staple spun polyester thread and comes in a dozen different sizes from 8 - 220 all with a choice of regular, silicone free or water repellant.

Size 100 is Tex 30

The commonly available Moon size 120 is Tex 27. 
Gütermann SewAll is Tex 30

With my tension on thread windings, Moon measures 30 wraps per cm and Gütermann Sew All  measures as 31 wraps per cm the Moon thread is marginally thicker, but a visual inspection definitely shows it to be fluffier. 

Overall conclusion:
1000 m of Moon should weigh 27 gms
1000M of SewAll should weigh 30 gms
The Moon is less firmly spun and therefore incorporates more air to make it appear thicker.  That will be the reason why it is fluffier than Sew All. 
The higher twist, and more fibre per metre, of Sew All should also make it slightly stronger than Moon.

Disclaimer - there are lots of other good threads are out there too, but also a lot of not so good threads too. 
Brenda.  My machines are: Corona, a 1953 Singer 201K-3, Caroline, a 1940 Singer 201K-3, Thirza, 1949 Singer 221K, Azilia, 1957 Singer 201K-MK2 and Vera, a Husqvarna 350 SewEasy about 20 years old. Also Bernina 1150 overlocker and Elna 444 Coverstitcher.

So Chic

Re: Coats Moon Thread v Gütermann Sew All
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2019, 11:39:17 AM »
Thank you for an interesting thread and makes me wonder if I should use Moon thread on any of my machines.  I generally use Guterman or Mettler Seralene (if I can find it) but I have used Moon or Swan on occasion and both of them seem to leave a lot of fluff.
So Chic
Bernina Artista 630, Bernina 800DL, Janome Cover Pro 1000CP and an elderly Singer Touch & Sew 720G as a back up


Re: Coats Moon Thread v Gütermann Sew All
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2019, 11:58:38 AM »
Thank you @BrendaP , lots of interesting information.

I have to say though that I'm a Moon fan for it's price, so looks like lots more regular de-fluffing for me then  0_0


Re: Coats Moon Thread v Gütermann Sew All
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2019, 12:08:28 PM »
When I last tested thread strength, Gutermann was slightly stronger than Coats and Moon. 30 vs 27 tex makes sense, my results were not intended to be accurate to 10%. Unfortunately, I can't find the detailed results now.

You can try it yourself. I took a 1M length of thread, tied 2 bowline loops around each end, hooked one end around a doorknob and the other around the open top of a clip-top jar such that the jar was suspened a short distance from the floor. I then filled the jar with baking beans untill the thread snapped. Measured the jar on digital scales, repeated a few times to get an average.

One thing I noticed was that the Coats'n'Moon was not as consistent as other threads I tested. I was a bit disappointed in this respect, since some of the better performing threads were cheepos from Amazon.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2019, 12:15:13 PM by Radiofan »
Singer 538, there are many like it, but this one is mine.