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Machine Talk => Overlockers & Coverstitchers => Topic started by: Lolli on April 19, 2018, 17:47:28 PM
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I'm very keen to buy one but don't know anything about them or how to use them. I've been toying with how much to spend and the make to go for. I don't want the cheapest available as I want a fairly good quality one but at the same time, I don't need it to be very expensive for a first.
I've seen these (https://www.sewingmachines.co.uk/products/compare-products.php?compare%5B%5D=7&compare%5B%5D=267) on SMD with 5 years guarantee. The only thing they don't have is an integrated needle threader (would that be a bad thing for someone with horrendous eye sight even whilst wearing glasses!) and the Husqvarna doesn't have auto tension release (whatever that means).
I've been looking through this topic and have seen many of you highly rate the Juki brand which SMD don't sell. I would consider going with another company that does but I'm dubious of who's good to buy from. Plus the sites I've seen that do offer the Juki don't offer a long guarantee like SMD do. I've had good experience with SMD so I'm keen to stick with them.
I'm interested to see what you guys think of the ones I'm looking at because you know what you're talking about 0_0
I'm looking at spending around £300-£350 but would spend a bit more if you think it could make all the difference. I want it to have all the features I'd need to make it as easy to use as possible!
Any suggestions on models would be much appreciated.
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I have the Janome you are looking at and have found it excellent for my needs.
It's relatively easy to thread and mine copes with everything I've thrown at it.
I very rarely have to alter the tension and have never touched the differential feed.
My only gripe is the instructions are a bit sparse. I could never manage to use it when I threaded it in the order the book suggests and I nearly sent it back but a friend said to always thread in the order Upper Looper, Lower Looper, Right Needle, Left Needle and since then I've had no problems.
I always use good quality needles (Schmetz) but any old thread works fine.
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I'm putting my tin hat on before I type this....but my Singer overlocker bought from Lidl four and a half years ago has been fine for my purposes. I guess that they must be very variable, as some people have reported a lot of trouble with them, but my experience has been good.
That said, I can fully understand why you would go for a better model when you know you're going to be using it a lot for dancewear. Have you tried speaking to SMD for recommendations or perhaps deals on specific machines?
I'm going to run away with my fingers in my ears -"la la la la la"
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Would you be able to get over to Hobkirk’s in Blackburn? They have quite a few overlockers on their website in your budget and it would certainly be worthwhile trying to thread one or two to see how you get on with them.
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my Singer overlocker bought from Lidl four and a half years ago has been fine for my purposes.
I think you are right in that some of them are good and others not so good, but how you can tell in a Lidl shop without trying them I don't know! When I had my vintage Singer Featherweight looked at by the local machine mechanic in conversation he said that a Singer from Lidl could be a good buy, which did surprise me a bit.
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Before I started to sew jersey and other knit fabrics, my main thoughts were about the stitch quality. Now not only is the stitch important, but also the quality of the knife/blade and it’s cutting ability, which you only really find out by trying. My Husqvarna which is 25 years old, with brand new blades, can’t cope with silky jersey where as my nearly 40 year old, 3 thread Frister Rossmann, cuts through it like a knife through butter. Also make sure it comes with a spare knife or purchase a spare, as apparently these are the parts that become obsolete quickly. I had to send to the States for my Huskylock blades.
My advice would be to try as many as you can. If the shop offers the machine you want, but not the guarantee SMD is offering, tell the shop and see if they will match them. If not go to SMD.
I’ve noticed that most suppliers offer the same deals and prices, especially on the popular machines, and most say if you find cheaper elsewhere they will match.
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I've seen these (https://www.sewingmachines.co.uk/products/compare-products.php?compare%5B%5D=7&compare%5B%5D=267) on SMD with 5 years guarantee. The only thing they don't have is an integrated needle threader (would that be a bad thing for someone with horrendous eye sight even whilst wearing glasses!)
When I bought my overlocker two years ago the shop in Rochester had the choice of Brother, Bernina and Pfaff. They also sell Husqvarna but didn't have a Husqvarna overlocker because she didn't think they were good enough.
So I tested the three 4-thread machines they had; the Pfaff had tension problems, the Brother sounded really rough but the Bernina was spot on, although that model isn't made any more.
I had a needle threader but on one occasion I managed to get a snarl up of thread and probably pulled a bit too hard getting it freed up. The machine works fine but the needle threader no longer works. Threading an overlocker needle is a bit more fiddly than threading a regular machine because of the limited space, but vision-wise it's the same. Can you see to thread an regular machine? if not you can get these gadgets for a couple of pounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDzJtQXPuWU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDzJtQXPuWU)
or
Amazon (https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=sewing+machine+needle+threader&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=223903252693&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17224083763549619665&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045020&hvtargid=kwd-2731895134&ref=pd_sl_75yhbczfey_e)
Don't pay the £11-99 that Jaycotts want for one!
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I have the Janome you are looking at and have found it excellent for my needs.
My only gripe is the instructions are a bit sparse. I could never manage to use it when I threaded it in the order the book suggests and I nearly sent it back but a friend said to always thread in the order Upper Looper, Lower Looper, Right Needle, Left Needle and since then I've had no problems.
See that puts me off, if the instructions aren't clear and I don't know what I'm doing!
Would you be able to get over to Hobkirk’s in Blackburn? They have quite a few overlockers on their website in your budget and it would certainly be worthwhile trying to thread one or two to see how you get on with them.
Yes they are fairly close for me to visit. I've recently bought a dress form from them (they have great customer service) and their mechanics come to my work. I'll have a look on their website
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Tweezers are often helpful when threading overlockers. They can get into places that your hands can't. Holding a small piece of white paper behind the needle can somtimes help, it distinguishes the eye from all the surrounding metal glare. My coverstich needles are black and this makes the hole easy to see. I tihink you could use them for overlocking.
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My Elna overlocker came with a needle threader in the accessories box though I've not used it. It also has a very handy pair of pointed tweezers with bent ends - useful for grabbing the threads in confined spaces.
One tip - if you get a machine without an LED bulb then change the bulb. It makes a massive difference.
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Ah yes I've seen they come with tweezers and wondered why, now I know! Still not sure that would help as far as seeing, but maybe the white paper would help.
Good tip re the bulb aswell, I've noticed some being advertised with extra bright light or even 2 lights.
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I'll be sitting next to ScoutSews in the tin hat section, as my inexpensive Singer from a big box store has been great from the getgo, aside from occasional operator error.
Of the 2 you're considering I'd lean toward the Janome. I noticed the adjustment from regular to rolled hem is on the front, as well as the read outs for stitch length and differential feed. Saves a lot of craning your neck to peer around the side if you ask me. It does have marks to indicate seam allowance though not obvious. The Husqvarna has nicely marked seam allowances. My Singer had no marks but it was easy enough to add them.
You'll enjoy it. What they do they do very well.
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I've probably more to agree with than new things to say but nevertheless…
I can't say much about the Huskylock, partly because I've never tried one and they aren't often mentioned in online groups. Ellabella's experience is very reassuring & SMD are a huge favourite here but we often bond very differently with machines so I really do think you'd be well advised to try before you buy, especially with another good dealer like Hobkirk's nearby.
I remember my own first quandary well. I took lots of lycra, nasty poly organza, slinky & other materials to a dealer when looking primarily for the sewing machine I'd much researched then made a totally unintended on the spot decision to buy the star performer overlocker too that day.
The only thing I soon regretted was that I'd not bought the overlocker locally. It's not rocket science but it was very different & I ended up paying to attend a lesson. That helped but the tutor didn't know my machine so a local dealer would have been better & I could have popped back any time too. That's all waffle for saying I agree with StitchinTime. ;)
Machine needle threaders are notoriously fickle & often dislike some brands of needle or get bent easily & stop working. The little gadget of BrendaP works very well (I use them for my coverstitch & older machines) so I'd suggest you don't weight that too highly overall.
Now just waiting to hear you're ripping through miles of lycra on your choice of machine!
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I have a Brother 3034D which seems to work pretty well. No idea of the price nowadays though.
I used to use a bit of white paper behind the needle - it really does help to see the eye. I now use those needle threaders though - and my eyesight has changed so I can see better :)
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I'd go for a Brother. Mine is the forerunner of the 1034D (it's a 3 thread version) and is 29 years old. Tweezers are provided and I've got to say mine is very easy to thread.
I am thinking of buying a 4 thread and I'd go for the 3034D, they seem to be renaming the models as they now come with LED lights. I think SMD sell them (they are in Wrexham?)
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I have a Janome overlocker and I agree with Ellabella about the order of threading - it is different to what the instruction book says. That said, the instruction book is perfectly good in all other respects and mine came with a DVD showing you how to use it. I can also recommend Hobkirks - I bought my sewing machine from them and their aftersales has been excellent.
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I agree and think it's best I take a trip to Hobkirks to try some out. It would be a risk to buy off the internet when I don't even know what I'm doing,.
I'd want to know how well it cut, how noisy it was, how it handles different fabrics, how to thread it even! At least they'd be able to show me the basics.
What fabrics are advisable to take for testing?
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Some very stretchy lycra, some thick fleece and some lightweight cotton or poly-cotton and maybe some heavier fabric such as denim.
The basics are to use the overlocker alone with 4 threads to make seams in the lycra and the fleece and to use 3 (or 4) threads to neaten seam allowances on the wovens. If it does those OK it should be all right for the fancier stuff like lettuce hems or flat locking.
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Brilliant thank you @BrendaP
One more question (probably not my last unfortunately), do you have to change all the threads each time to colour co-ordinate different projects?
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Most people would keep a range of basic colours. I have a set of 4 reels each of black, white, grey, navy and beige. If sewing seams and the stitching might show from the outside you can always use a thread to match the fabric in the left needle and a basic colour for the other 3. It could all get a bit expensive otherwise.
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Brilliant thank you :flower:
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Coming very late to this party, but - I now have a Bernina MDA1150, which is good. It replaced a Brother 1034. I do prefer the bernina, not least as the threading works more often, but it's not thaaat much better, nor that much quieter, and I think I preferred its rolled hems. Depending on your budget and needs, the less expensive machines can just fine.
For the colours, it depends on what you are sewing - for rolled hems, useful for lightweight dance skirts, you will need a complete matching set as the whole set of stitching will be visible. If it's inside seams, then you can use a plain colour in the loopers, but I never bother to change down just for that if I'm also doing the hems. You don't have to get the massive cones in fancy colours. William Gee does packs of 10 x 1000yd spools of Moon in lots of colours for about £5 (I use these and they are fine), and the same of Gutterman for about £15 (£1 and £2 respectively for a single spool). Those will last you for ages. http://www.williamgee.co.uk/shop/coats-sewing-threads-moon-120/
There was a thread on the old TSF about overlocker threads and air threading that suggested that the air threaders were more finikity about thread.
When you go to the shop, also take a piece of something lightweight like chiffon or organza to try the rolled and narrow hems. I'd also suggest getting them to show you the 3-thread overlocking. Lycra, even the heavy stuff, is still quite thin and I find that the narrow stitch sits better.
Have fun. xx
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I’m another Bernina fan, in fact have two Bernina overlockers, one has the ability to convert to coverstitch though.
When I went on an overlocking course when I had the first Bernina overlocker, there were other makes being used, and the noise from these was considerable. Okay the Berninas are likely to be far more expensive, but the stitching and ease of changing to a rolled hem is just superb.
Morgan has always suggested to people to download some workbooks from the USA think they are called Mastering your Bernina (then either it is for a sewing machine or an overlocker) and although these are for Bernina overlockers you can still follow these through and stitch out some samples for any make of machine, and by doing this it helps you get to know your machine. I would go along with what BrendaP has said take as many samples of fabric that you can muster to try out, and then bring all these pieces back with you, and make a note of what or how you have changed any settings. Even include some old knitwear then you can be shown how to use the differential feed setting which is essential on this type of fabric.
One thing you will need though is an abundance of needles, as you will need to change the needle/needles every garment on an overlocker or after every 8 hours of sewing. It really does pay to stop and clean out the machine every time you use this as the amount of fluff and debris just builds up and can then get caught up within the overlocking which is not good. Oiling regularly is also essential – just think of the speed with which these machines stitch – they work extremely hard.
I personally do not like the Moon threads, I find them hairy and sort of scratchy, but others on TSP find them fine – so it is very much down to personal choice. I also am one that likes my overlocking thread to match the colour of the garment I am sewing – but then that is just me being really fussy.
If and when you go to Hobkirks and possibly come back with a machine, you will probably need to buy some overlocking threads to get you started as there is only likely to be a small amount already threaded up on the machine –just lengths of thread not reels. Quite often people use something called Woolley Nylon on the upper looper and this thread sort of blossoms out after sewing, giving excellent coverage, however finding this particular thread is not easy and can be expensive. If you are planning to use the overlocker for ballet leotards then you may well find this woolley nylon is just what you need. Have a look on some purchased garments and see if you can see those which have a more covered seam than others.
I started off with an Elna overlocker and this was whilst Elna (Switzerland) was still in existence only of course the overlocker was made in the Far East. This was fine and worked well up until three weeks before my daughter’s wedding when enough was enough and I had to buy a new overlocker hence my switch to Berninas and what a difference. Today Elna is part of the Janome group.
By the way some overlockers have a thread catcher that is attached to the front to collect all the debris that is cut away during stitching, other machines do not have this, however you can make yourself a bag that opens up and has a long flat piece that the overlocker sits on and this will catch the debris – or you can use a plastic carrier bag which is not so pretty!
Wherever you go to look at these overlockers, make sure that it is you that can sit down and try out the machine, and then try as many different ones as you can – all prices and that may help you decide which one is for you. Sometimes a dealer may have one he has taken in part exchange so you could find a real bargain. I personally would not go for the cheapest as they are going to be noisy, possibly difficult to thread and you may find has to go back often to be sorted out.
Start saving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Lolli As you live in gloriously sunny Leyland why not take a trip up the M65 to Colne and visit Empress Mills, they have thread on cones that is very suitable for overlocking and are also very helpful and knowledgeable too. Since I got my Janome 634d many years ago I've never been anywhere else for threads and their cones of 'polycore' last me literally years. I've had woolly nylon from there too.They also have a good selection of stabilisers and fabric so what's not to like :devil:
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That sounds great @Kad thanks for the tip. Not too far from us at all, an excuse to 'nip' in to Immanuel's on the way ;) ;)
My DD competes in a dance festival at Colne once a year so I can certainly take advantage of that if I'm getting low around that time.
I swear I'm going to look like an overlocker with the amount of overlocker thinking I'm doing lately. My OH discovered today that SMD are only 1hr 20 mins away but both SMD and Hobkirks aren't open on Sundays which is an issue for me. Saturday's are so busy with my DD dance classes amongst other things and working full time, I know a visit like that wouldn't be a half an hour job.
I know what's going to happen here. My impatience will get the better of me and I'll end up buying one online. Would that really be so bad if I did what I always do and thoroughly research and check reviews? :S
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I really, really like the look of this one (https://www.franknutt.co.uk/bernina-l450-overlocker). I've been watching YouTube videos on it and I know I've got nothing to compare it to, but it's impressed me.
Quite a lot more than I was going to spend but....
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Oh that looks like a good machine and should do you proud. However it is essential that you go and try this model out for yourself, will probably knock the spots of other cheaper machines. I see that it has the thread/debris catcher on the front – brilliant.
One thing you can be doing from home and that is to go searching for an overlocker book from the second hand bookshops – try abebooks.com or amazon market place. There are a few books around but nowhere near as many as books for sewing machines, and a worthwhile investment to the sewing room.
So you have something now positive to go saving for – good luck.
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I'll do some Googling and try to find shops within my area that have it so I can try it out.
A book will no doubt be a good investment, I'll have a look for one of those too.
Thanks @Elnnina
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I second most of what Elnina said.
The difference is sound between a Brother 1034 and the Bernina 1150 MDA when I test drove the two of them was quite significant, although a lot of people on here are happy with their Brothers.
Re thread, I'm another who doesn't like Moon; it's quite hairy and quite thick. If you are using an overlocker for neatening seam allowances you do not want thick threads!
I often use the regular thread (usually Guetermann SewAll) in the needles and the big cones of overlocker thread in the loopers. I have all the basic colours, but just last week I was sewing some purple lycra and I bought a couple of Guetermann Miniking and it's lovely and fine. If there is any show-through of thread on the right side it will be the left hand needle thread.
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Why not try Bambers? They've been around a very long time and they do Bernina too. Its only just over 30 minutes away from Leyland ?
http://www.bambersew.com
lizzy
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When you get an overlocker, even if it's not a Bernina, do all the exercises in this workbook (http://www.byrnesewing.com/static/mastery/serger.pdf) .
You will learn how to make the most of everything the machine can do and you will develop confidence with troubleshooting when things do not seem to be going well.
It's worth using a (lever arch) binder to keep the finished samples from the exercises which you staple to a sheet of paper and write your own notes about the settings on your machine.
If the machine is not a Bernina use the manual for the machine for threading and location of buttons, dials etc. and how to alter settings.
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Why not try Bambers? They've been around a very long time and they do Bernina too. Its only just over 30 minutes away from Leyland ?
http://www.bambersew.com
lizzy
Thank you @Lizzy777 I've just discovered them this morning! I went on the Bernina website to find stockists near me and there they were, only 40 mins away. I was too short for time to go today but might get chance on Tues afternoon if I'm lucky. I'd like to try some other models too while I'm there, you never know I might end up choosing something else entirely.
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When you get an overlocker, even if it's not a Bernina, do all the exercises in this workbook (http://www.byrnesewing.com/static/mastery/serger.pdf) .
You will learn how to make the most of everything the machine can do and you will develop confidence with troubleshooting when things do not seem to be going well.
It's worth using a (lever arch) binder to keep the finished samples from the exercises which you staple to a sheet of paper and write your own notes about the settings on your machine.
If the machine is not a Bernina use the manual for the machine for threading and location of buttons, dials etc. and how to alter settings.
That's excellent advise, thank you @Morgan
I do use a folder for keeping patterns and have a spare one I could use for samples and notes. A great idea because no doubt I would forget everything -<
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I'm off to Bambers this afternoon to try out some overlockers and I have to say I'm very excited! :D
I was chatting to DH about it all last night (it all went over his head I think) and he was interested to know why one might cost more than our fancy dishwasher 0_0 I went on to explain the ins and outs and I must have explained it well as he said I can have it as a wedding anniversary gift from him to me. Yay!
I've got lots of samples to take. Thin lycra, thick lycra, organza, chiffon, plaid, cotton, taffeta and then proceeded to cut up a pair of DH's jeans so I could take some denim :D (with his permission of course!)
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How exciting Lolli! I love a new machine!
Looking forward to seeing what you come home with!
Jessie
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Just love the bit about cutting up your husband's jeans.
So glad that you have done lots of research, and yes I too look forward to hearing what comes home with you this afternoon. It will be beans on toast for tea tonight!!!!!!
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It will be beans on toast for tea tonight!!!!!!
Yes! And for the foreseeable!!! 0_0 0_0 0_0
DH said "I'm never gonna see you now am I?" :D
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Hope you find what you want Lolli! I'm not that far away we could have had a meet up.
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Hope you find what you want Lolli! I'm not that far away we could have had a meet up.
If I'd have had the time that would have been good!
Well I've come away without one :'( :'(
To be honest the whole visit was a nightmare. Set off in plenty of time to try a few out and get back in time to pick our DD up from school at 5:30pm as she's been doing her drama GCSE assessment. The weather conditions are horrendous, my DH couldn't see anything (he still can't now!) and there'd been two crashes on the motorway. We came to a standstill so we went onto A roads which was still rammed with traffic. Got there an hour later than planned so I had less time to try them out.
I tried two, the Bernina I was after plus the Juki MO-114D. I know the Bernina comes with a bin on the front but it didn't have one on, I asked if it would come with one and she said no. I went on to say it shows it on the website, she went and asked and said I was right. So we proceeded with experiments. I learnt a lot, how to change to rolled hem, how to thread it, tried my different fabrics etc. I liked them both but preferred the Bernina. DH came into the shop to remind me we were running out of time so was going to buy it but before I did I asked about the guarantee. They only offer 12 months and they weren't for budging on that. I said elsewhere offer at least 2 years but nope, not shifting so I came away without. I've got 5 years guarantee on my £190 sewing machine, I'm not paying £545 for an overlocker with only 12 months. Too risky for me.
So I'm a little gutted, will have to order online and go for the Bernina (even though it was a bit bouncy on the table when sewing at speed but I think it was the surface it was on).
I suppose at least I've tried a couple, I now know how they work and how easy projects will become plus they're not as scary as I thought.
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What a pity you came away empty handed. Seeing as you will have to order online, do consider Sewing Machine World in King’s Lynn. Steve used to be an active and helpful member of the old sewing forum.
Details of the warranties from the various manufacturers are shown on the website:
http://www.sewingmachineworldonline.co.uk/index.php?q=node/78
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What a shame you had problems Lolli. The weather certainly was atrocious, you could sail boats around the borders in our garden tonight :o
I'll echo StitchinTime's endorsement about Steve from Sewing Machine World. I bought my coverstitch machine from him and the service was excellent.
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I've had a look at their website and reviews, they look to be a good company with good aftersales care. They've got the Bernina but they don't list the accessories that should come with it like the other sites do.
Do you think they'll come with them as standard?
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You could always phone them to ask before you order.
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You're right, I'm going to do that tomorrow just to double check then if all's well I'm just going to go for it. I've been watching yet more videos on it tonight and I've decided to get it. At least I've had a go of it today so I know what I'm getting.
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Lolli, you'll end up with the machine you were meant to have, from the dealer you were meant to buy from. I almost bought my Brother sewing machine from the local dealer who was really pitching it with warranty, free classes, 10% discount on accessories and supplies for one year, free service in a year, blah blah. Signed up for their e-mail newsletter. A week later got my first email, stating their going out of business sale was continuing and none of the perks would have happened. They knew they were closing when they pitched the machine to me.
Regards the bouncing, yes table top matters. On a folding conference table my serger bounces a lot but on my wooded desk not at all. Having it near or above one of the table legs helps, as does using a piece of that cushioned shelf liner. Works like a shock absorber. :loveit:
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Crikey you had a lucky escape there!
Lolli, you'll end up with the machine you were meant to have, from the dealer you were meant to buy from.
You're probably right. I do believe things happen for a reason and there's probably a reason why it all went wrong yesterday.
Having it near or above one of the table legs helps, as does using a piece of that cushioned shelf liner. Works like a shock absorber. :loveit:
There's rubber at work (meant for car mats), I could 'borrow' some to make a mat and put it underneath the overlocker and sewing machine. I think that would work a treat :D
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If you ring to ask about accessories and sweet talk them a bit you might even get some extras thrown in.
Renegade Sewist, thanks for the tip of a shock absorbing layer. Mine bounces a bit because it's on the flap of my sewing cabinet. I'll find something to tame it a bit.
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To tame the bounce, I use rubber car mats. They only cost a few pounds, and do a really good job. I've also recently tried leather (I was given loads), and that works well too.
Jessie
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Something like this is what I use. Dirt cheap, like $1 per roll. @Ploshkin I imagine you'll still get some bounce as you've got no legs on the flap. If you can pull the machine closer to the cabinet near the hinges when you use it it will help a lot.
Yes Lolli I was glad I decided to go with the Big box version for several hundred less. Even had a better return policy. Dealer was no refund, only credit. The big store the cashier actually told me to "sew the s**t out of it for the next 60 days and if you don't like it bring it back." How could I resist that enticement? ><
(https://images.containerstore.com/catalogimages/248405/10065376GripNStickBlk_600.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&align=center)
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After speaking to Sewing Machine World I'm no further in my quest for an overlocker than I was yesterday.
They've advised not to get Bernina as it's now Jaguar that make them and they're nowhere near the great quality they used to be. I'm pretty certain they said Juki used to make them?
Needless to say they reckon I'd be better off with a Juki. I'm fed up and I give up!
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The way the current market for sewing machines generally is I think that Juki are probably the best of the bunch. My daughter has a Juki overlocker and is happy with it.
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Something like this is what I use. Dirt cheap, like $1 per roll.
@RenegadeSewist I use chunks of something very similar too (it was from Wilkos and was very cheap, it's sold here for use under cups etc on tea trays to stop them slipping). Works brilliantly and I have loads left (it was a couple of metres on a roll I think) to shove under all the other wobbly stuff (ahem) I own :devil:
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Oh Lolli how confusing.
I believe Marniesews on here has something by Juki, why not get in touch with her to find out what she had - either a sewing machine or an overlocker.
Next another well known dealer is David Drummond up in Edinburgh, he sends all over the country and I believe also pays for them to be couriered back to him for servicing, he is definitely a Bernina dealer.
Other than that it means going searching all dealers that deal with Bernina to see what stocks they may have left on an older Bernina that was made by Juki. Can you find out from Bernina just what models were made by Juki, and then go searching for them. Or take a chance on a Juki overlocker - I have never seen one, but then there is this option for you to go and find one and try it out then you will have a comparison.
Otherwise if you have made your mind up that the L450 is the one for you take a chance on this, get the 2 year guarantee on this. Surely all the dealers are not going to push you away from having a Bernina - and surely Bernina's reputation is at stake here - they are not going to market a duff machine.
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To add another supplier into the hat, Jaycotts have some reductions on Juki overlockers (https://jaycotts.co.uk/collections/overlockers/brands-juki) at the moment.
They also have this gadget (https://jaycotts.co.uk/products/overlock-pad-trim-catcher#.WuCUm5fTWUk) if this feature attracted you to the Bernina.
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@Lolli I think every dealer has particular ones they push or are their own favourites (probably the ones they make the most money on.)
The very small dealer within reach of me really rates Pfaff,sewing machines and Elna overlockers so that's what I have. He does sell a few other machines. I gave him a list of the functions I required and he recommended the best model for what I wanted. I had a good try out in the shop and was very happy with both, it really wasn't worth the hassle of looking round elsewhere or trawling online sites. My overlocker may be a bit noisier than another model but I don't know that because I haven't tried another one. I used it in the shop, was more than happy with the way it performed, it didn't deafen me or shake itself off the table so I bought it. There may be 'better' out there but I can't fault it. Too much choice is not necessarily a good thing.
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Is that the one in Carmarthen Ploshkin? My older machine is a Pfaff, and it would be good to know there's a sympathetic place within reach!
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@Acorn yes it is. It's in the little parade behind the market, I think it's still called the Singer sewing machine centre don't think he sells Singers) he's an elderly gent who can appear a bit dozy but he really knows his machines and will service and repair machines that he has sold.
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It's funny that SMW said that about the Bernina's because the lady at Bambers said something similar yesterday. She said the Juki MO-114DE was basically the same model as the Bernina L450 because Juki used to make them but don't anymore?
SMW also said that Bambers definitely told me wrong only offering 12 months warranty as the warranty is set by the manufacturer which for Bernina's is 2 years....no matter where you buy it from. Bambers did tell me if I wanted extra warranty I'd have to pay £80 for it :o
At my trial yesterday I was put off the above Juki model only for the fact that the upper looper thread kept snapping when trying to do a rolled hem. Granted she messed about with the tension and it was fine then but it didn't help. Plus yes the missing bin was another offput for me.
However, there was a problem with the Bernina too. When I took my foot off the pedal it carried on sewing and wouldn't stop, had to turn it off at the switch. She said the pedal was probably sticking because it was old. The Juki produced a better rolled hem than the Bernina but I wasn't sure if it was just down to the settings.
I've noticed that none of the Juki's have a bin but I suppose I can't let that alone decide on what I buy. As I've seen above there's things you can buy instead, or indeed make one... it's just a feature I liked. I don't do mess :D
It's probably wise I write down all the features of the Bernina I liked and try to find a Juki that has the same.....obviously minus the bin.
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Although a bin would be a useful feature, I just trap a plastic bag under the two front 'feet' of the machine, which works fine.
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Lolli, the bins seem line a great feature but I found them cumbersome and wanted a machine without one. :loveit: I kept scraping my wrist on the top of it. After a few seams I just scoop the debris into a small trash can next to the desk. No big deal, no real mess. I can't recall any of my friends using theirs but using a small paper bag or something in front.
Focus on the mechanical aspect and how well it sews. Some are horridly loud, which gets old fast. Some always sound like they're about to explode. You want a consistent stitch for what ever you choose to sew, a noise level you can tolerate, ease of changing stitches, threading, switching to a rolled hem, etc. Dealer support is handy but not necessary. Having a reliable repair place within a comfortable drive is really nice.
With getting into dance costumes you might find the ability to do a nice rolled hem and to easily set it up to be useful. Not for the body suit but any frouffy bits that go with it. Just a thought.
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Lolli, the bins seem line a great feature but I found them cumbersome and wanted a machine without one. :loveit: I kept scraping my wrist on the top of it. After a few seams I just scoop the debris into a small trash can next to the desk. No big deal, no real mess. I can't recall any of my friends using theirs but using a small paper bag or something in front.
Focus on the mechanical aspect and how well it sews. Some are horridly loud, which gets old fast. Some always sound like they're about to explode. You want a consistent stitch for what ever you choose to sew, a noise level you can tolerate, ease of changing stitches, threading, switching to a rolled hem, etc. Dealer support is handy but not necessary. Having a reliable repair place within a comfortable drive is really nice.
With getting into dance costumes you might find the ability to do a nice rolled hem and to easily set it up to be useful. Not for the body suit but any frouffy bits that go with it. Just a thought.
The ease of changing to rolled hem is definitely a feature I want as I would no doubt use it often. I do have a shop nearby that I would trust for servicing/fixing as their engineers come to my work to fix my industrial machine. They're very good, they just don't sell any of the models I'm interested in. I actually never thought of the bin getting in my way, as the ones I tried yesterday didn't have them on. That's a very good point.
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I have a bin thingy on my overlocker and use it most of the time.
Regarding the overlocker moving about. I don't have that issue with my overlocker but I thought I would mention something that would help. I bought this for my portable sewing machine (not my main one) and it works very well.
Just looking up the link, I noticed they have one mat for the sewing machine and one for the overlocker ,
I can definitely recommend it as it totally stops the machine from moving about at all.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sew-Easy-ER906-RED-Overlocker-Reduction/dp/B016PV9GA2/ref=pd_bxgy_201_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B016PV9GA2&pd_rd_r=1QVPEQ5D4TS2876BPM4P&pd_rd_w=vbwNw&pd_rd_wg=6VU4h&psc=1&refRID=1QVPEQ5D4TS2876BPM4P
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sew-Easy-ER905-RED-Machine-Reduction/dp/B016PV1OOI/ref=pd_cp_201_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B016PV1OOI&pd_rd_r=92R4KKRM7X9F632GPYCM&pd_rd_w=JsO7g&pd_rd_wg=Voak1&psc=1&refRID=92R4KKRM7X9F632GPYCM
I Think the only difference between them is the size of the mat? It helps a lot with noise reduction too!
I'm sorry Bambers didn't come up to expectation for you. That's a shame as they are fairly close to you.
Regarding suppliers. Frank Nutt are very good. But they are based in the Midlands. I have had great advice over the phone from them some years ago and they spent ages discussing my choices with me too. They sell most of the accessories for their machines and list them as well. And they show all the accessories etc on the machines they do sell. I think you have their link as I noticed you showed it in a previous posting.
It's exciting getting a new machine and I hope you don't have to wait long for it :)
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For those with overlockers and coverstitchers this might be of interest.
https://thesewingplace.org.uk/index.php/topic,4149.0.html
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You'll all be pleased to know I've bought an overlocker, yay! :D You're probably thinking "thank fluff for that!'" with the amount of waffling on I've been doing (sorry about that) :S
I do ask a lot of questions and and I know I'm a pain. It's because I'm a perfectionist (sprinkled with OCD) and I like to get things right. Thanks to everyone for being patient with me!
I've gone for the Juki MO-114D from Sewing Machine World. It's the one I tested on Tues so at least I know what it's like.
It has all the features the Bernina L450 has apart from a bin and an LED bulb (which hopefully I can change). I've discovered it's basically the same model as the Bernina 800DL (which Juki used to make), both have great reviews.
I also discovered that Juki made Bernina's right up until the L450 so I'm glad I found that out.
It was £30 cheaper at Jaycotts but I thought it best to get from a good dealer (thinking Jaycotts aren't dealers, they're more of a shop?). And seen as I rang SMW yesterday and gave them just short of my entire life story, it made sense to ring them back today with my order.
I was a little cheeky and told them it was cheaper elswhere and so would they supply a freebie of thread to get me started, that was no problem. So they're giving me a blue, red, yellow and green so I can practice threading and see what each stitch does. It'll be next week when I get it as they've got to order it in from Juki but I'm fine with that, I can make my own bin while I'm waiting :D
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By the way, if this forum ever runs a competition for 'the most asked questions', please can I win the trophy? 0_0
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Congratulations! :toast: They really are a nice addition to your machine stable. Starting with the 4 colors is perfect. I spent a couple of days sewing, changing, changing again and trying out all the variations in my manual. Only thing I didn't do was try out removing the stitching by undoing that one thread. Try that out too. I've a mind to thread with colors just to try it.
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So glad to read this Lolli, now you just have to have some patience until it arrives. Enjoy the tidy/bag making.
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Wahaaay! :D |O
Good choice, meant to be perhaps. I nearly bought the Bernina 800DL myself when I was looking for my first one & it was a good, solid, quality machine so yours will be the same.
Perhaps we should have a sweepstake on how many minutes after you open the box before your first question arrives. 0_0 0_0 0_0. I guarantee it's going to be fun for us all.
Congratulations
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Perhaps we should have a sweepstake on how many minutes after you open the box before your first question arrives. 0_0 0_0 0_0. I guarantee it's going to be fun for us all.
I actually burst out laughing when I read that 0_0
I'm sorry to say it's true though! Wait for it.....
:D
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By the way, if this forum ever runs a competition for 'the most asked questions', please can I win the trophy? 0_0
They do have this on their website "Seen it cheaper? Please call us for a price match." So maybe you should have asked for them to match the price ? £30 is a lot of money and am sure you could have sourced your threads for a lot less?
But congratulations on getting an overlocker. I wouldn't worry about asking too many questions. It's all a learning curve if you are buying something new and sometimes just have to buy online without seeing it first. My main sewing machine is a Juki.
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They do have this on their website "Seen it cheaper? Please call us for a price match."
Oh flip, really? I didn't see that :( Now I'm thinking of the amount of thread I could have bought, gutted!
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Lolli, when you told them it was cheaper and by how much they should have offered the price match. Please call them first thing tomorrow morning. Be a little indignant and let them know you feel a bit taken advantage of now. Imply you will cancel the order and also let them know you have several hundred online friends-potential customers- who are waiting to see what they do.
Use any or all of the above. You should get more then they offered. Makes me grumpy when merchants do that. :angry:
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Oh flip, really? I didn't see that :( Now I'm thinking of the amount of thread I could have bought, gutted!
Just give them a ring this morning and say you're not happy because they should have mentioned this to you when you said that the overlocker was £30 cheaper elsewhere. It is actually on their front page in the left hand corner. And that you would rather have the price match than any free threads.
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Be gentle!!! Come at it from the angle of "I'm just calling to make sure that I got the price match ok" They know the score. :) And don't forget to smile and hold your hand out for the thread as well. :)
Having worked, albeit briefly, in customer services, I know who got the "jam" service and who got "bread and butter" ;)
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Well before popping on here just now, I'd literally just emailed them as I'm a bit annoyed. I was probably too nice but didn't want to come across arsey as I didn't think that would get me anywhere.
I mentioned my purchase yesterday, how I told the lady it was cheaper elsewhere but wanted to buy from them as they have an excellent rep. I said she didn't at that point offer me the price match (which I've since seen on their website) and if I'd have known, I would have asked for that deal and spent the £30 on thread. I said that I asked for 4 spools of thread to be included as I was paying more but would ideally like other colours too and proceeded to ask if they would send me more to make up the shortfall.
Maybe I should have threatened to cancel the order but I didn't think of that. Just thought a friendly approach was the best way :S
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Oh, OK. Try it Wrenkins way first. Save mine for if you still need it. Then give them a good :fish:
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Lolli, how to play it often depends on the sort of company and individuals you are dealing with and how your past dealings have gone with them. Sometimes I go with goodness and light, other times I let my inner Banshee handle things. On occasion OH will make the call for me and tell them I am either too disappointed or angry to talk to them.
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I'd just ring them up and ask for the price match to be applied to your order. As simple as that! How you then decide to spend that saving is then entirely up to you.
Just ring them first thing this morning and get that sorted out. You can discuss threads with them after that.
You just want what any other purchaser would have got and that is £30 off the order.
You don't need to soft soap anyone about it. You mentioned it before ordering and they were remiss not to advise you about it in my opinion. No need for any upset or disagreement. I feel sure that the company will honour their price match promise, as shown on their website.
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Lolli, how to play it often depends on the sort of company and individuals you are dealing with and how your past dealings have gone with them. Sometimes I go with goodness and light, other times I let my inner Banshee handle things. On occasion OH will make the call for me and tell them I am either too disappointed or angry to talk to them.
Some years ago my oldest friend heard me on the phone to some company who had not done what they were supposed to do.
Her comment when I finished the call was "You did sound like your mother" - now I call such encounters 'channelling mother' (hopefully it stops me from getting upset which is self-defeating)
Apols for derailing thread and sounds as if you have had good advice. Their own sense should tell them that in these days of 'social media' bad news and criticism travels fast.
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To be fair Sue, they do show it right on their front web page on the left hand side at the top of the page, that they offer a price match. I can't see why it should be a problem for Lolli to ring them first thing (as she only ordered it yesterday) and
talk to them about it. The company offering it cheaper is Jaycotts. A reputable dealer of sewing machines, overlockers etc. So it is something they should price match.
I don't think you need to go in with all guns blazing, nor a softly softly approach. Just be factual and say how it is and that's all you need to do. I think Lolli is more annoyed with herself for not seeing it but its easily done to miss things when you buy online.
I think a phone call to them first thing the morning should sort it out? If not, then that is the time to get annoyed about it?
Just my views. ;)
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... Their own sense should tell them that in these days of 'social media' bad news and criticism travels fast.
Perhaps mentioning or implying that you will trigger or stoke up " social media bad news and criticism " is a passive/aggressive threat. Not always the best negotiating tactic.
Steve at SMW has a very good reputation. (some may know him as Sewing Machine Steve)
One of 3 'go to places' for me.
If you are not happy with the deal that you signed up for, as you're buying on line, under Consumer Contract Regulations (https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/how-do-i-cancel-an-online-order)remember that you have the option of cancelling the order and then buying from the place you found a "better" deal.
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By this afternoon I'd had no reply so gave them a ring. The guy I spoke to said he'd speak to his boss & that it shouldn't be a problem to get a £30 refund, it would go back on my card next week. I said I'd be happy at that but I'd also be just as happy to get some extras instead. So he rang 'Sewing Machine Steve' then rang me back to say they'll give me more thread and some bits and bobs, which I was happy with.
They're giving me 16 spools of thread (1 red, 1 blue, 1 green, 1 yellow, 4 black, 4 cream and 4 white), it's moon thread which may not be the best but it will do for now until I get my stash of good stuff.
Also getting extra needles, some retractable tweezers and he said he'll have a look at what else he can chuck in that may be useful to me. He was actually putting all these things in a bag while he was talking to me. Granted it won't make up £30 but not far off.
I'm pleased with that anyway
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That's good to hear Lolli. I thought there wouldn't be any problems and by ringing them direct its all worked out well.
When do you expect to get the overlocker delivered then?
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I'm presuming Tues/Wed next week. Apparently it takes 2-3 days for them to get it from Juki then it will be next day delivery from them to me.
It certainly did pay off to ring in the end :D
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I'm aware that some machines don't like Moon thread but my Elna sews perfectly with it and it's all I use. Don't assume that something more expensive will necessarily be better - it just depends on the machine. By the sound of it you could well have more than £30 worth of extras - the little bits add up quickly.
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Yes @Ploshkin I thought that, although the threads are 1000yds so they're small ones but I still think I've done well.
Most of the threads I have in my drawer are the free set of 50 Frister and Rossmann ones that came with my sewing machine from SMD. As freebies they're clearly not the best quality but my machine has never had an issue with using them.
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I've never had a problem with Moon and you'll be surprised how long a 1000m spool lasts because I'm always thinking I'll only get a few garments from it but it goes much further.
It is more linty than the more expensive thread (as is my regular thread) but, on the other hand, the bright colours I use show up very quickly which makes me clean my machine regularly, which isn't a bad thing. As I run down on colours I'll probably get a better (thinner) thread but I don't think it creates any issue with the dresses in wear or appearance.
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I'm pleased to hear that @Marniesews
The free cheap thread I use on my sewing machine is linty too, but like you say, it makes it obvious when to clean.
They're also 1000m, got them over 2 years ago and I haven't even used a whole one of any colour yet so really they should last me a while.
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Don't forget also that with an overlocker the loopers use more thread than the needles. When you change thread colour put the 2 reels with the most thread left on the loopers then you shouldn't find 2 reels running out way ahead of the other 2. Sounds obvious but not something you would necessarily think about.
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That's a great tip, I'll bare that in mind. Thanks @Ploshkin
Just want to mention while it's popped in my head.
When trying overlockers out at Bambers, I was raising the needles to take one out and went to turn the wheel backwards. The lady said you should never turn the wheel backwards, only ever forwards, and the same goes for sewing machines.
Is that true?
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I'm presuming Tues/Wed next week. Apparently it takes 2-3 days for them to get it from Juki then it will be next day delivery from them to me.
It certainly did pay off to ring in the end :D
That's good. Good job I mentioned the £30 price match then isn't it? Otherwise you wouldn't be getting all these additional extras. Enjoy :)
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Absolutely! You can't beat getting more your money. Thanks @Lizzy777 for the heads up
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I was raising the needles to take one out and went to turn the wheel backwards. The lady said you should never turn the wheel backwards, only ever forwards, and the same goes for sewing machines.
Is that true?
Yes (there's an exception with one technique with a coverstitch)
Always turn the wheel towards you on a sewing machine.
Turning the wheel away from you on a sewing machine is one of the most excellent ways to produce a snarl or a birds nest.
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Yes (there's an exception with one technique with a coverstitch)
Always turn the wheel towards you on a sewing machine.
Turning the wheel away from you on a sewing machine is one of the most excellent ways to produce a snarl or a birds nest.
Oh so that's why that happens to me then. Woops :S
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I’m sure I read when renovating my old Singer that sewing machine motors turn counter clockwise, which is why you turn the wheel towards you.
Arrow or Roger will be able to clarify I’m sure.
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Well you learn something new everyday, I've been turning the wheel both ways since I starting sewing 2 & 1/2 years ago :S
Another lesson learnt!
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Lolli, you being satisfied with the transaction is what matters. The merchant was terrific to accommodate you in the manner you preferred. Well done! :toast:
My Singer serger actually has a big curved arrow on the hand wheel showing the correct direction to turn.
OK. I'm American and from the West at that. Historically we like to go in with guns blazing. >:) I'm sticking with that.