The Sewing Place
Machine Talk => Overlockers & Coverstitchers => Topic started by: wrenkins on September 21, 2018, 11:45:01 AM
-
Well do I?
I know I want one but does that alone make it necessary? :)
-
OOoooo good answer. :loveit:
-
And I have one for sale :D A janome 9300DX, barely used as my sewing habits changed.
-
Well I know that Mr T. It's your fault that I want one. May I have first dibs?
-
Francesca is spot on Wrenkins … and Christmas is around the corner ;)
-
So's my birthday. 0_0
-
I've come to the same conclusion, need - no, want - yes.
I have started trying to do more with knit and after using overlocker foot to make my eldest some jogging bottoms while my husband was working at home. He's up for it (he experienced the noise and amount of time it took). He and eldest hate shopping and the trawling around to find things that fit.
I'm hoping to go to a local shop for a demo and maybe buy a book first. I've been given a £250 Amazon gift but buy from a shop and use voucher to cover Christmas.
-
@Bogwoppit I used my twin needle on some knit with varying degrees of success. :S
One of the problems was that the correct colour thread I bought wouldn't thread through the needle! 8) The other problem was that the bobbin started acting the goat for no good reason that I could see. When I see things finished on an overlocker they just look so neat. :loveit:
-
I wouldn't be without mine. I bought it about 5 years ago, just a cheapy because I was unsure how much I would use it. It's great for neatening seam allowances on woven fabrics, as it tames fraying fabric beautifully. I love the finish it gives to a sleeve-head/armhole seam. On knits, it copes with everything. My sewing machine didn't like one particular synthetic Ponte fabric, but the overlocker just stitched away happily. It doesn't compare with an overlock stitch on the normal sewing machine, it's so much faster and it cuts off the excess.
One day I'll upgrade to a better model now I've found out how much I use it.
-
Couldn't be without my overlocker or coverstitch now. Makes garments look so much more professional and they're so quick to use compared to sewing seams then neatening seams separately.
-
I got a fairly cheap overlocker about 20 years ago and it has been great. Threading it was a bit of a pain at first until I realised to change one thread at a time and 'sew it through'. Wouldn't be without it. I see I've typed 20 years - sounds like I should be thinking of an upgrade. :o
-
@wrenkins you will never regret it. It takes things up to the next level and makes things easier too.
@Francesca get that coverstitch machine out and play. You're far too experienced to be overawed by it. You'll love it when you do.
-
IMO of you want to sew stretchy fabrics then yes you do need an overlocker. It's a doddle to run up a tee shirt of pair of leggings with one.
If you only want to sew stable woven fabrics an overlocker is nice but you can get by with the overcast stitches on a regular machine to neaten the edges.
The use of a twin needle isn't a substitute for overlocking, it's a substitute for coverstitching. Some overlockers (generally the more expensive ones) can convert to coverstitching by disengaging the knife and threading differently. Unless space is very limited in your sewing area I would recommend a more basic overlocker and then if and when you feel the urge to finish your garments with coverstitching go for a separate coverstitcher
-
I agree that an overlocker takes your sewing to the next level. Sure, you can use the overcast stitch on your sewing machine to neaten woven fabric edges, but ... it's sooooo sloooow - and not particularly neat, which is important to me. You can also use an overlocker to sew the seam and neaten the edges at the same time, if it's a 4 needle model.
If you can afford one, go ahead and buy - you won't regret it. :) Just be prepared for a bit steeper learning curve than with an ordinary sewing machine. It's worth it though.
-
if it's a 4 needle model.
I think you mean a 4 thread model. ;)
-
I think you mean a 4 thread model. ;
Oops - fingers and brain not engaged at the same time :S Thanks for the correction.
-
Must admit to feeling very tempted - but also very intimidated as I seem to find it so hard to learn anything new these days. I still haven`t mastered our latest tv remote control! Hearing you talk about 4 threads and 2 threads scares me even more.
Am I being a wimp? I wouldn`t have a clue how to choose one. Is there an idiot`s guide somewhere?
-
I haven't been on one but a friend of mine recommended an overlocker course. Might be worth doing one of those day courses before deciding whether to buy one.
-
I can't even find a dressmaking class over here. I suspect the chances of finding an overlocker course are slim to nil.
I have found one little tiny shop in the most unlikely area so I'll ask do they have demo models to try. That'd be a start.
-
No need to go on a course, I think they are pretty straightforward, really. They look complicated, but they generally come with a good instruction book that lays everything out for you. If you run into any trouble, you can always consult the experts on here! You Tube is also a good source of assistance if you need it.
The Brother 1034D is a really good cheap starter machine, very easy to thread, and seems bombproof to me.
I think once you have tried one you will wonder why on earth you waited so long!
-
I have an Babylock Enlighten, I believe it's one of the higher priced overlockers but it really is a plug and go machine... so I could recommend that for a 'gift' request :) … having said that... what is more important is to find a dealer locally (or close enough) that can service your machine and is knowledgeable .. without that things can get very frustrating and what could be sorted out in five minutes could turn into an everlasting nightmare
-
Get one Wrenkins, but make sure it's an easy to thread model! The Brothers are the easiest IMHO.
Francesca if you can use an overlocker you can definitely use a coverstitch! They can be temperamental but shout out here and we'll help you. If it's the Janome that you have one thing I'd say is you have to raise the foot pressure much more than they say to do.
-
Overlocker definitely easier than that TV remote. There's more logic to it.
-
Don't be scared of it. It's only a machine. There are plenty of YouTube videos and help on here too. Just play around with it and all will be well.
-
@wrenkins do you do Craftsy? I seem to think their basic overlocker course was quite comprehensive.
YouTube is another place to try.
Honestly if you can use a modern electric machine and you learn to thread an overlocker in the correct order you should be fine.
-
I have an Babylock Enlighten, I believe it's one of the higher priced overlockers but it really is a plug and go machine... so I could recommend that for a 'gift' request :) … having said that... what is more important is to find a dealer locally (or close enough) that can service your machine and is knowledgeable .. without that things can get very frustrating and what could be sorted out in five minutes could turn into an everlasting nightmare
You see that worries me! I have no dealers whatsoever within easy distance so I would have to buy online. Don`t know what I would do about servicing as it`s becoming increasingly difficult to find anyone locally who can service an ordinary machine let alone an overlocker
-
At least you have some on the same island. If I want my machine serviced I have to put it on the boat!
-
Are you too far from Coventry, @sewingj . I bought my machine from Coventry Sewing Centre and take it there to be serviced.
-
It might be heretical to say this but I don't find you have to service sewing machines all that often and certainly not every year. I'm embarrassed to say how long I've left it sometimes but without any problems. I bet all you TSPers are kind to your machines and service them every year. :D
-
I bought mine on line and I have never needed anything doing to it. It came with a DVD showing how to thread etc. Mind you, I have been thinking I was quite new to it and don't have the familiarity that I have with my sewing machine, but I found the receipt in the bottom of the bag recently and apparently I bought it in 2009! I do use it a lot.
-
It might be heretical to say this but I don't find you have to service sewing machines all that often and certainly not every year. I'm embarrassed to say how long I've left it sometimes but without any problems. I bet all you TSPers are kind to your machines and service them every year. :D
Neither of my machines has ever been on a boat. :|
I once left my old girl in to a man long retired but he did something weird and it never ran as well afterwards. The bobbin winder finally packed up. I am now in the "ain't broke, don't fix it" camp.
-
Don't be afaid of an overlocker, you will manage it. I would say a good sewing machine does neat single needle overcock stitches, overcast included. Not all machines are that neat stichers, but most of the ones I tried did a good job. The advantage with an overlocker is speed, wider stitch and it does different stitch patterns. Two needles, and four threads gives more options. There is a Babylock with a 3 needle model, and 8 thread but I have yet so test sew one.
On the other hand, I have seen a few vintage garments, not very old, but 50s to 80s, and much less over lock is used. The cut, and seams are best quality, they used binding more often, sometimes it's cover stiting more than overlock finish off edges. I would say there are techniques to lift sewing to the next level with out an overlocker. Remember a Dior coat from around 1960, an Yves Saint Laurent trench coat from the 1980s, and a Chanel pleated skirt from the 80s, not an overlock seam in sight. The Dior coat was combination of machine and hand stitching, the YSL men's coat was mostly machine straight stitch with clever use of seam binding, flat felled seam, all very neat and visible from the inside. I dont think any of these garmens stand back to what we get get to day, or even do with an overlocker. I guess the main advantage with an overlocker is for knits and jersey, neat stretchy seams are easily made with them.
-
I confess that I only got my machines serviced when a sewing machine engineer chappie came to a local craft shop for a couple of days.
-
My "good" sewing machine is probably coming up for a service but I'm reluctant to take it in because it's sewing beautifully and I'd hate to find it different when it came back from service. Lack of trust, I suppose, but you do hear of horror stories. :devil: I clean it religiously after every project, and oil it once a week (I use it every day) so it doesn't get clogged up at all. I suppose I just don't want to be parted from it - sad really.
I oil the overlocker frequently too, but there's much less to go wrong on it as it's not computerised like the s/m. I also clean it out after every use. :angel:
-
For service, and repair, I don't really trust anyone anymore. My bike has a 7 speed gear hub, it's almost a year old. I know a lot of bike mechanics would recommend having it check and regreased at this point, it has been used every day since Febuary. Even Shimano (maker) recommends service after given number of kilometers. Yesterday I passed a bike shop calling themselves the equivalent of "The bicycle Girls". The person behind the counter in the repair/mechanical section told me just to use the bike until it brakes down, these hubs are maintanace free. Then we just repair or replace it. This is the standard, when the experts give you bad advice you know you better trust your self and your own judgement. The back wheel sometimes locks up when I have used the pedal brake, I have to push the bike a bit to free it up, I know it needs a bit of lubrication. I know the advice on sewing machines are that much better; "by a new one", "too old for repair", "are you sure you don't want a newer model", "we sell better machines", "no sewing machines stitches well with hand stitch thread or top stitch". We just have to find someone who bothers to do it right.
-
I have seen a few vintage garments, not very old, but 50s to 80s, and much less over lock is used.
Garments made from firm woven fabrics don't need overlocking. Stretchy fabrics do.
Whilst in the museum looking at the Singer 29K (https://thesewingplace.org.uk/index.php/topic,5443.0.html) I chatted with a steward. He knew a lot about the social conditions and how in the factory each person did one little part of the manufacturing process and then passed the work on. However, he did say that he didn't know anything about sewing though he managed to throw in the word overlocking. I was able to show him the difference between straight stitching as made by vintage machines using my RTW raincoat (lightweight woven nylon with ne'er a zig or a zag to be seen in the stitching) and the overlocked seams in my, me-made, cardi made of stretchy jersey fabric.
-
For commercially made clothing there has been overlock stitches used for a long time, the first version appeared before 1900, and I guess the technology isn't that much different from 1950s to know. The first household overlockers came in the 1960s and for a long time there was only Bayblock. Maybe other brands quickly entered the picture, but I haven't heard of any. The first overlockers I saw first hand were in the 1980s, regular house hold version, but only a few had them. I know they had industrial three tread overlock by 1930, I think the Union and Singer machines that turn up are one needle, and I don't know when the first two needle model was introduced. Either way, the technology was there, yet they used it much less than today, knit sweaters were finished off and pieced together differently, very neat. Much the same for fine knit jersey too. If enough people start to rave about overlockers they will gain popluarity in either secion, domestic or industrial. It doesn't say much, popularity is ephemeral, it easily shifts on to the next thing.
I have noticed they use flat felled seams on jersey to firm things up; sometimes there's two parallel straight stitch seams, other times there are something that looks like straight stitch seams on top, but a particular type of overlock stitch under, very firm, little to no stretch. My point is really, there's often more than one option and can turn out very nice either way.
-
I have a Babylock Imagine that I bought back in the early 2000s (I don't recall exactly which year). I remember wanting it quite badly. I know I used it back then but never as much as I thought I would. I haven't used it in quite a few years. I keep thinking I might try to use it again but there is currently something off about the stitching and I haven't had the patience to get it adjusted correctly.
My Viking #1 has an overlock style stitch that I use all the time on both knits and wovens. It works much better than zigzagging which in my experience had a tendency to pull the fabric. Using the overlock stitch isn't as fast as a serger but it is more sturdy and looks fine. I realize that not all sewing machines have this stitch.
So while a serger/overlocker can be useful I don't think they're necessary. At this point I believe I'd find a coverstitch more useful given that I primarily sew knits.
-
I have noticed they use flat felled seams on jersey to firm things up; sometimes there's two parallel straight stitch seams, other times there are something that looks like straight stitch seams on top, but a particular type of overlock stitch under, very firm, little to no stretch. My point is really, there's often more than one option and can turn out very nice either way.
Two (or three) parallel rows of straight stitch on top and what looks like overlocking on the back is cover stitch. A twin or triple needle in a regular machine can make a good imitation of that though it's not always as stretchy.
There are industrial machines which make two parallel rows of lock stitch - two needles and two bobbins. There are also industrial machines which make two parallel rows of chain stitching - two needles and two loopers.
-
I don't think I would sew clothing without an overlocker. My first was an industrial one given to me in the 80's and I was told it was about 40 years old then. I also bought an industrial about 10 years ago which again was very old. Unfortunately neither lasted very long once I got my hands on them. In between I have always had the Brother cheapies. I find they are perfect for what I want. The last one I bought about 5 years ago.
I never have my machines serviced. The cost is far too much. Just clean and oil them often.
-
I’m another that wouldn’t sew without an overlocker...I bought mine in around 1986... it must have sewn thousands of miles and it’s still going strong.
-
My first overlocker, also from the 80s, was a cheapie 3 thread machine so only good for neatening raw edges. But now I wouldn't be without one. I chose a 4 thread Bernina and then got a coverstitcher. That was a definite considered choice rather than go for a more expensive 5 thread overlocker which can be converted to coverstitch.
-
I don't think I would sew clothing without an overlocker......
I never have my machines serviced. The cost is far too much. Just clean and oil them often.
There in a nutshell you have it. I don't sew as much as many of you and very few knits. I absolutely can't imagine not having it. It was worth every penny for me.
For the cleaning I'd like to but I'm a bit cheap. The sewing machine I got on sale for $295. Because it has an embroidery module which has to be taken in with it cleaning is $150. No. I keep it clean, don't sew over pins, change the needle often and try not to exceed its capabilities. The serger could be replaced for $50 more then the cleaning price for it, so again I do my best to clean it and take good care of it.
-
I bought an elna 664 overlocker on the recommendation of a local seller. They are about £250. (Its probably the same as one of the Janine models) I didn't want an expensive machine because I didn't know how much I would use it. I have used it far more than I thought I would and I also now sew more knits than I did before I had it. I frequently use it for seams on wovens (shirts etc) where it's ok for the seam to be pressed to one side and it saves so much time not having to zig zag seam allowances and trim.
I have used it on all manner of fabrics and have never even had to change the tension to get a perfect stitch. It has never been even the slightest bit temperamental.
-
I’m another that wouldn’t sew without an overlocker...I bought mine in around 1986... it must have sewn thousands of miles and it’s still going strong.
Mine came home with me in 1989 (I had a good job and got a bonus!) and is still going. It (a Brother) has differential feed which was then only on a few machines but I opted for the 3 thread version as the 4 was over £100 more which was a lot back then. I remember I bought it on 12 month interest free credit .....anyone remember that?
-
It really depends how you define need in your case. You can manage without one but that's not the same. Unless you sew a very limited range of items or are happy using more labour intensive methods such a couture techniques, once you've had one you'll undoubtedly feel it's in the 'definitely need' category. I waited until my sixties to get one and have seriously wondered why ever since.
-
Yes I agree with others it takes your sewing up to another level. I actually overlock all my toile edges once they have been cut out as I find it so much nicer and easier to handle when there are no nasty threads which seem to grow as you are making a toile up. I also do the same when a garment is cut out again saving the edges from fraying.
I am in the Bernina camp - I actually have two overlockers, however one of them converts to coverstitching. Why have two you may ask. Well a few years ago I had an elderly friend whose overlocker a very old Bernina one was playing up, and she wanted a new one but felt she couldn't justify buying a new one. Well at that time I had a Bernina 1100DA which was a few years old, nothing wrong with it at at all, but I was altering some knit garments and realised that a coverstitch machine would have been really useful so went investigating. The shop I used was selling the top of the range Bernina 25000DCET an overlocker and coverstitch in one machine - at a silly price as it was their demo model, and my elderly friend bought my smaller one. Sadly my friend became terminally ill and was keen to sort her sewing room stuff out, and I agreed to have my original overlocker back and that was a relief to her. However when I collected this I found she had not even used it in the few years she had this - such a shame. So I have the best of both worlds, I tend to use the smaller one for everyday stitching, and use the bigger machine when I want something more than overlocking, i.e. chain stitching or coverstitching. These machines are not cheap, they are lovely to use, quiet and stable, and I was so lucky to be in the right place at the right time.
-
I bought one with an inheritance and thought it would be a breeze as I was already a dab hand with a sewing machine. Wrong! They're very different beasts and take time to learn. I found Chris James's book "The Complete Serger Handbook" an absolute gem for learning.
My machine is a five-thread Singer from back when Singer was a manufacturer, not just a brand, and it has cover stitch capability. I have found that feature handy, not only in making things, but in shortening over-long jersey tops.
-
I'm another Bernina 1100 owner @Elnnina. Such an easy threader and purrs lovely.
-
Ohsewsimple I very nearly used the word 'purrs', but thought I had sung the Bernina's praises enough, but yes I do agree with you not only do the overlockers purr the sewing machines do as well !!!
-
None of this "tie the thread in knots to the old thread and pull it through to change colour!"
Whyever not? It's a dead easy cheat. Not that threading is so bad or so difficult. Just follow the instructions in the handbook and all will be well.
-
I tie mine in knots too. Mostly works really well. On the occasion I do need to re-thread from scratch, I have got much better at it. The breakthrough came when I made myself learn to use the tweezers properly and push the thread through - it didn't come naturally I'm afraid!
-
I'm with you on that Fran. When I got my overlocker I immediately pulled out the threads it came with and learned how to thread it which wasn't at all difficult. I think all modern machines have colour coded threading routes anyway.
-
Nothing wrong with tying the threads and pulling through. Never run them through o you could damage the looper. But you have to know how to thread them from scratch in case a looper thread breaks. If you buy from a local dealer they should show you the basics.
-
When I change thread colour I knot the new colour in one at a time and sew the thread through. It usually works fine. If I have to properly rethread as long as I work from right to left it is fine. Mine is a fairly old and quite cheap overlocker but it has been great. I'm sure I need to think about a new one sometime though. :devil:
-
I didn't think I needed one until I got one, now I've got two :S just in case one breaks down :fish: :fish: :fish:
-
I'm another enabler who would not be without my overlocker. I had an Elna back in the day first of all (think it was about 1997 or thereabouts) which I used for years but I managed to break a chunk off it eventually and couldn't find anyone locally to repair it. About five years ago I bought a Babylock Imagine online and it has been wonderful. Have never had a second's problem with it and I have overlocked miles and miles with it. It has the jet air threading but I'm comfortable with rethreading machines anyway with or without that and the automatic tension is brilliant.
I don't think you would regret buying one, @wrenkins :devil:
-
I didn't find it difficult at all to learn the basics, much less intimidating then the computerized sewing machine with embroidery module I got a few years later. If you want intimidation and a steep learning curve, buy an embroidery machine. :S
What I always do with a new machine is pull the manual and read the whole thing. Next day I get together lots of remnants and unbox the machine. Then I work through the manual with the machine and like with the sewing machine did samples in order of all 67 stitches on a couple of different fabrics. Feel free to call me OCD.
With the serger I practiced some stitching then did the tie on to rethread. It wouldn't stitch properly. Called the manufacturer and the nice person talked me through. We discussed seaming, as people had been telling me you could only use it to neaten edges or seams, NOT construct with it. I was told by someone who uses one how to do some things that weren't in the manual to get better results. She also suggested it was better to remove the thread by cutting near the spool and sewing it out then to clean out the tension slots before I rethreaded, as so many problems with a serger are related to tension. I actually find it faster and easier to do that then the tie on way, at least with my hands. YMMV. Online Singer has a giant color photo and instructions on rethreading my machine and that helps.
-
I couldn't manage without mine, but does depend on what you sew. I use mine forvtidy seams, a lot of lycra and love a rolled hem. I mustvadmitvthough I am someone when they want rather than need I'm afraid the want takes over. Not long for Christmas lol
-
Repeat after me "Upper Looper, Lower Looper, Right needle, Left Needle..............."
Mind you my next one is going to have air threading, very excited! :D
-
IT'S ON IT'S WAY!
-
Excellent @wrenkins . I'm so glad we persuaded you! :D
-
Well done Wrenkins! I'm sure you won't regret it. Which one did you go for?
-
I'm having a Janome 9300 dx. I don't even know what that means!! 0_0
Now where's good for thread?
-
@wrenkins that's one the models I've been looking at, so will be very interested to hear how you like it.
@Francesca that's a good price for thread. Though I won't be buying for a while. I have so much of the stuff I've had to buy an extra plastic crate just to hold it all :S the cones are so bulky to store.
Edited to add, in response to Wrenkins query, some came with my coverstitch machine (huge cones of black and white), some is Gutermann (black, white, beige) bought from Amazon, some came from an eBay seller (blues and reds, Coats Gramax) and I have all the Lidl colours too.
-
I've found that 4 each of black, white, grey, beige and navy cover just about everything. It depends how particular you are about the inside of your garment. When you thread up always put the 2 with the most thread on in the loopers as they use way more thread than the needles. That way the 4 reels should last about the same length of time.
-
I've bought mine on Ebay too. I find dark grey a very useful colour. I've used it on navy, black and brown as well as grey.
-
You will wonder how you managed without an overlocker. I still have problems threading mine but Mr SC has learnt how to do it. As others have said, you won't need masses of colours as the only one that really needs to match is the needle thread. Overlockers are also very forgiving with type of thread as I use anything I have to hand in mine. The other point is that overlockers do need brushing out frequently to get rid of the dust from both fabrics and threads.
-
IT'S HERE!
Well it's not here exactly but it has been delivered so won't I have fun this week-end? WOOHOO!
-
Because the one day that it doesn't work or breaks and you're moments away from finishing off that garment you desperately need, you will regret it if you never learnt to properly thread.
Yes, I agree, but to be fair, it's far easier to just tie a knot and thread through the new threads (especially when you are changing colours). I always do that but I did learn to thread from scratch right at the outset. I went on a course to Janome when I first bought my overlocker and once learnt how to thread it properly, it stays with you. It's just far faster to knot the threads on a change of colour etc. rather than re thread it every single time. Just my opinion.
-
Coming to a Lidl near you soon - overlocker thread!
https://www.lidl.co.uk/en/MiddleofLidl.htm?articleId=16704
from Sunday 7 October.
-
Coming to a Lidl near you soon - overlocker thread!
https://www.lidl.co.uk/en/MiddleofLidl.htm?articleId=16704
from Sunday 7 October.
There's a rather nice looking sewing machine table below the thread link. I may have to investigate further. ;)
-
I've threaded it!
Now what?!?!?! :o
0_0
I suppose I ought to look at the instructions but a tractor has lost it's slurry tank outside my house so I'm a bit distracted.
I'll do it later. :ninja:
-
Wrenkins, why don't you go looking for something Morgan has always recommended that people new to overlockers should do, and that is to download a Bernina Mastery Workbook on overlockers, despite it being aimed at Berninas, the general sense of these Workbooks should get you started, you can print off the pages, and then steadily work through them attaching your stitched out samples and thus you then have a permanent Workbook for reference - you can also add in your own personal settings.
I cannot find the exact reference Morgan used to link to, but found this on the internet, it was headed up
Bernina Mastery Workbook - Creative Fires www.creativefires.net/bernina-mastery-workbooks.htm
By the way the workbooks you are looking for come under Serger workbook. Oviously there will be some difference between the Bernina and the overlocker you have, but in general with the aid of your own instruction manual you should be able to follow this and create some samples and these will help.
-
Thanks for that link @Elnnina. It looks brilliant.
I watched one of the free Craftsy tutorials this morning so it's starting to make sense now. I think it'll be great once I can apply it without worrying about shredding my good stuff. 0_0
-
Here (https://www.byrnesewing.com/static/mastery/serger.pdf) is @Morgan's link in case anyone wants to look at it. It's very comprehensive...just what I need. :)
Thanks Morgan and @Elnnina
-
Why not go rooting around to find old garments that are no longer worn and use them, you can use up all your scraps on practising, and if you haven't any then a trip to the charity shop and pick up some old sheets/curtains that you can cut up and use without it costing a fortune. You do not obviously have to go following the exact fabric they are suggesting, especially chiffon etc. as that would be mad, good old calico is fine.
I am about to start stitching on some knit fabrics which I have never sewn on today's modern machines, and as it happened somehow my husband got bleach on his knit pyjamas and wanted to bin them, I have pounced on these as they will be ideal for me to experiment with.
Have fun.
-
Ha! That's genius. Sorry charity shop. 0_0