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Machine Talk => Vintage Machines => Topic started by: Barnyard on October 16, 2017, 15:55:20 PM
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I got a call today from a local charity shop and they had a Bernina come in and would I be interested? Well of course I was and I was there pronto. It is a stunning condition 830 Record and going by the serial it is one of the later models with the serial beginning 21 (1981)? Anyhow this is not without complications as there is no foot control or extension table. I managed to grab a very good condition table from the Bay for £25 and I am now on the lookout for a suitable foot control.
There are genuine Bernina items on ebay but they are quite expensive and I would be horrified if the machine didnt work after buying a new control.
I really cannot believe how clean this machine is, not one bit of lint or fluff anywhere! The carry case too is in excellent condition and very clean.
The question now is how do I test it without the foot control???
Pics to follow!
Barny
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Good for you, Barney! Hope it sews beautifully!
I've been looking at the older sewing cabinets on eBay, too, but the ones I like were built for Singers, New Home or Jones machines and I'm not sure my Bernina would fit. They don't have the storage the newer cabinets have but some are so pretty.
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If the price is righ go for it, especially if you have been on the look for one and it's a machine that will be used. Pedals can be found and if they don't have any electronic functions like pedal up-down replacement is easier. The extention table can take a while, but they turn up eventually. I were given one for a 730, it was wrong for her model and mine had a broken metal part under, (which I later glued). I never use the extention table on my freearm machines, probably because I have a 201 in a table. Genuine Bernina tables and cabinets tend to be a bit expensive. The last one I saw was with a 730 Record, and was solid teak, with a modern 60s design. It had this lift up action and would lower into the table and become a flatbed. If there's little wear to the paint on these models you can be sure it's a lightly used machine, it scratches easily.
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Here it is in all it's sparkling glory!
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Barny
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You obviously have your charity shops well trained, Barny.
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They cannot sell untested electricals and it often just is not worth the time and effort for them. They also know nothing of sewing machines and I take the bad as well as the good stuff so they do not have to go to any expense in desposing of them. I do pay for them and if I sell one on they also get a percentage of the sale so it's a bit of a win win situation for all.
I must say though, this is by far the best one I have had from them!
Barny
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It's the electronic version and I think it has some fancy functions in the pedal movements. It means you have to double check it and track down a correct pedal. Some report back they can use a generic replacement pedal on the 830 with out any trouble, others have ended up with major speed issues which an original Bernina pedal solved. The machine itself looks close perfect and not much used at all. My laptop keyboard is dirtier and needs a good cleaning :P
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You are quite right about the foot control arrow and I have ordered a genuine Bernina replacement. This machine is in such amazing condition it would be sacrilege not to pair it up with a genuine replacement. Duly ordered this morning and it and the table should be arriving on Thursday... Along with 5 genuine Bernina bobbins.
I must admit I am quite excited having given the machine a stripdown and lube. Everything points in the direction of it being a fully working machine. The motor was so clean it looks like new the belts are perfect and I am just hoping that once power is applied, my gut feelings of it being a perfect running machine are correct.
I do need some advice though. It only came with the 000 Zig Zag presser foot and I really would like to add a few extra feet but at the prices I have been looking at for genuine Bernina ones make me gulp! I wish I had kept the feet from the Nova 900 :'(
I have seen an adaptor(s) that can be used and I quite like the idea of adding a snap on version. There is a low shank version too. Has anyone used one? Can you reccommend one and where to get both the adaptor and a selection of feet in the UK?
If all goes well this is the machine my daughter will get. She is using and enjoying the old Brother "Westminster" I restored for her but she did ask for a Bernina... Or should I keep quiet and have it for myself??? :angel:
Barny
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Oh what an excellent find. Why not try Bogod (Bernina) down in Cardiff, this is Bernina’s warehouse. The ladies there are extremely helpful, and it is more than likely that they can advise you as to whether the part you need is available, or perhaps give you the part number of the piece you are looking for and that will make it easier to try and track down. Bogod’s details in Cardiff are: Bogod Machine Company, Fortran Road, St. Mellons, Cardiff CF3 0WJ phone 029 2079 2079. The Cardiff warehouse should also be able to tell you what feet are still available for this machine, and yes they are expensive, so here is a suggestion. If you can manage to find some feet that are suitable for this machine, then why not give these as Christmas and birthday presents to your daughter, - that is how I have built up my collection of feet for both my old 830 Record and also my much newer Bernina Artista 200 – in fact this has suited my family very well, as they know I will enjoy using these feet/accessories, and for me personally it is far better than chocolates or flowers, and of course I will use them. The ladies names at Cardiff are Rachel, Jackie or Georgia.
Back to the 830 Record, this really is a super machine and at the time it was made this was the one machine that Bernina actually got 100% right, hence you will probably see that these machines go for quite high prices second hand.
I had an elderly friend who has since passed away, and she had this machine, and was selling this, all was working well until the day she was showing this to a prospective buyer and then the foot control would not work, she took this to a dealer who was able to supply her either with a new foot control or was able to repair.
I actually have an ordinary 830 Record from 1975, (was my mother’s) and it is a lovely machine, it quietly purrs along and the stitches are superb. The instruction book is extremely well laid out and easy to follow, and if you are thinking that you are going to give this to your daughter (foot control willing) then I have no doubt she will be delighted and of course whilst parts are still available or via broken down machine parts sold off this should hold its value.
Fingers crossed that this machine will work a treat for you.
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Gosh what a wonderful find, well done!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
It's an 'electronic', so that means it needs a Type 232 (#325.232.04) foot controller, an electronic one?
The earlier 830s took a Type 213 (#325.213.14) foot controller, the non-electronic one; I think the 232s will work with the earlier 830s but you must remove the 'max/min' speed slider/button connections.
I have heard of people using generic foot controllers with their 830 electronics, and have been unhappy with them.
You can get adapter shanks which will work with low shank presser feet. Bernina made the original ones, but they are scarce now. There are generic ones that are available that are made in China. I have one that I purchased several years ago and once I started using it I realised that it was very very slightly off-centre; I had to grind down one side of the shank on an oil stone and now it fits perfectly.
The seller from whom I made the purchase told me 'they are all like that'.
In the meantime thanks so much for posting about this Barny, it has made my day, as I do love vintage berninas
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
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Remember you need the old type feet, and it's easy to get it wrong when buying from the web. I have noticed collections of Bernina feet on ebay now and then, they turn up at more reasonable prices, but you probably have to be a bit patient and keep and eye out for it. Earlier this summer there were a set of feet for an 830 on a local acution site, if you are lucky something will turn up before chrismas.
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Wow what a great charity shop find!
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Thank you all for the replies. I have been looking on ebay and other places to see if I can get a set of snap on feet and an adaptor but they all seem to be listed for Brother and Singer machines and I am not sure they will fit even with the Bernina snap on adaptor fpr older machines. Anyhow, both the brand new foot control, new bobbins and the bed/table arrived today. I must say I was somewhat fearful of plugging the machine in and being devastated that it was dead.
Well...
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It runs sweet as a nut. PHEW!!
I think I have been very fortunate considering the machine, new Bernina foot control, replacement bed and 5 Bernina bobbins has cost me the princely sum of just under £120. :) :D
Barny
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The snap-on adapter for older Berninas, as in one of these:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bernina-Compatible-Adaptor-Presser-Foot-SNAP-ON-SHANK-Holder-For-Old-Style-/272348405586?hash=item3f693adf52:g:1oQAAOSwIQdZN-GX
will break your needle!
(Ask me how I know this....)
Sole plates - unless they are bona fide Bernina ones*, which differ from widely-available sole plate feet for every other sewing machine going - site the needle hole in totally the wrong position.
You can get a Chinese low-shank adapter, to fit to the Bernina-shank adapter, which will take non-Bernina sole plates, but this is a bit of a faff solution, tbh imo (I have one).
The basic feet, that is the ones that will have originally come with the machine, are relatively common, and you can often buy them on ebay for around a fiver each. If I get chance later I will cobble together some Bernina foot info, which you might find useful :)
*which I have never seen in the flesh, and cost £££s
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Madame. That is exactly the one I was looking at so thank you for the info. I shall save my pennies and will not be getting one now.
Please don't go out of your way but any help would be greatly appreciated. <3
Now to find something to sew :P
Barny
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I once had a very flimsy snap of foot set. I can't really recommend it. I mostly use the standard zigzag foot, the zipper foot, and always track down a darning foot even if I only free motion on my old flad bed Singer. If it was me I would buy the basic feet needed even if they cost a bit and keep my eye out for a set of accessories from an old machine. I know some have bought the adaptor and use it a lot, but I think it is for particular attachments and accessories they already have.
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The 10 presser feet which would have been included as standard with the 830 are as follows:
000 zigzag 0
470 overlock 2
452 buttonhole 3
007 zipper 4
016 blind stitch 5
030 embroidery 6
419 tailor tacking 7
285 darning 9
168 hemmer 68
003 lap hemmer 70
The first 3 digit number of each row is the original number designation, which was stamped on the top of the front of the foot shank. In later years Bernina changed the numbers on newer feet to the number in the third column. Things get even more confusing when you learn that the same feet, supplied with earlier Bernina machines, often did not have any numbers stamped on them at all. :S
The 'old' style feet have 2 prongs visible at the top front of each foot; old feet fit Bernina models up to the 1130 (iirc- but it's late so don't quote me on that lol).
'New' style feet have no prongs, just a flat front 'lip' at the top front of each foot, and fit newer Berninas.
These feet are not interchangeable - the new feet will not fit the old machines, and vice versa.
(Incidentally, the 'old' feet can be split into 2 types - those with a 'thick' pair of prongs, and those with a 'thin' pair of prongs.
The thick prongers are 'older' old style, while the thin prongers are 'newer' old style....! :S
But they would both fit the 830).
Confused yet? lol :S
The 'old' style feet can still be purchased new (-they will be 'new' old style, with thinner prongs...) from Bernina dealers, as the modern (mechanical) 1008 machines still take that style of foot. Expect to pay on average upwards of £30 for a brand new foot.
Personally I would say that the most important feet would be:
1. zigzag
2. overlock
3. buttonhole
4. zipper, and
5. darning (-which can be used for feed dogs down/free motion sewing too).
A set of these 5 feet would be an excellent start to your daughter's Bernina foot collection, and possibly would be all she would need for now.
...Although please someone chime in here if you know what she would need specifically for the content of her sewing course... I don't know what the course comprises, and I'm just going on what I use most with my sewing.
There are gazillions of Bernina feet out there, the scope of the range is astonishing.
If you begin to collect them, you may develop an obsession for them, and be unable to stop... :P
Also make sure the bobbins you buy are the right size; the old genuine Bernina bobbins always had a 'BB' stamped on them. Helen Howes has a few of these for sale on her website, at £1.50 each I think.
Generic bobbins that fit have 7 holes on the round ends. I have not had to buy new bobbins but from what I have heard the quality of the generic bobbins can be pretty ghastly, and they can damage the hook and race, so it may be best contacting a Bernina dealer to see what they recommend, that is if you need extra bobbins.
Plus you will need a Bernina needle unscrewing tool; they are the little black things. I can post a pic if you need to see one though.
Actually I meant to post some pics of the feet, but I ended up photographing the wrong ones... duh... so I'll do that another time.
Barny - I have more .pdfs of info and pics of Bernina feet, as well as the 830 user manual (-which has excellent instructions for each foot originally supplied with it), and also the 830 service manual.
If you pm me your email I will send them along to you, as well as the the other manual I have for you :)
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I was a bit hasty there, I forgot about buttonholer foot and a couple of hemmer feet I use. I have thought about an over cast foot for my Elna, but I haven't found one yet. I don't know how important and overlock foot would be on an 830, it doesn't have overlock type stiches like the 930. A functioning low shank adaptor would be nice for a buttonholer attachment.
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Confused yet? lol :S
Yup! Well I was, that is until you so eloquently explained the situation. I have ditched the idea of snap on and low shank feet and instead will over time gather together genuine Bernina feet and as Elninia said add to them for presents, if not for my daughter then for me!
Whilst tonight reading all the posts several times over I have had a moment of clarity. My daughter, love her as much as I do, is only just beginning with her sewing. The Brother "Westminster" I restored for now will suffice for her needs. Should she develop and blossom and really enjoy her sewing then I will offer her this stunning piece of Swiss engineering. I see no real advantage of her taking it right now and would rather keep it safe and let her make her mistakes on something that is easier to replace.
This machine is for many, a machine of a lifetime. I would agree. I enjoyed my Nova 900 and did regret selling it. This however is as Carsberg would say Probably the best sewing machine in the world. It seems that everything is just right. Nothing sticks (clutch), blows (mobo /capacitor) or breaks. In this machine they got it 100% right.
It is a keeper to go alongside my 15k and my 221k.
Madame. Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to help me. Truly it is appreciated <3
It is good helpful people like all of you that take time to reply and help that makes life so much better and I thank each and every one of you.
PM Incoming!
Barny
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I was a bit hasty there, I forgot about buttonholer foot and a couple of hemmer feet I use. I have thought about an over cast foot for my Elna, but I haven't found one yet. I don't know how important and overlock foot would be on an 830, it doesn't have overlock type stiches like the 930. A functioning low shank adaptor would be nice for a buttonholer attachment.
I have never got the hang of the hemmer feet :S :S :S
I need much more practice I think, and they are feet I have always wanted to master.
The 830 does what Bernina call an overlock stitch:
Snipped from manual:
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You can get away with the zigzag presser foot for the more ornamental stitches. The embroidery foot has a hole for thin cord to be passed through it, for couching, but unless you wish to do that imo the zigzag foot is more than adequate.
I have tried my Greist buttonholer with my 530 Record, 807, 910, and 930 Berninas, and the only one it would work with was the 530 Record... and I use the term 'work' very loosely, as it was really difficult to fit.
I could only fit it on if I first attached the low shank adapter to the bernina, and only then attach the buttonholer to the shank adaptor. As well as this I had to unscrew and remove the buttonholer plastic cover, and also tie the presser foot lever up out of the way with a piece of string! (Obviously the presser foot was down, but I had to tie the 'slack' out of the way, or it would strike against the buttonholer).
On my other 807, 910 and 930 Berninas, and using a low shank adapter, the buttonholer would foul on/strike various parts of the needle bar and needle clamp.
I have heard of people using Greist-type buttonholers on a 930, but mine would have caused damage. Perhaps a different 'style' was used.
I eventually purchased my bargain Singer 201 purely so I could use my Greist buttonholer :)
I have not tried the Greist buttonholers with my Berninas 717, 840, or 830.
If I ever do, I shall report back with my findings :)
I don't know if a Singer buttonholer would fit or not, or whether parts would strike the needle bar/needle clamp.
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This machine is for many, a machine of a lifetime. I would agree. I enjoyed my Nova 900 and did regret selling it. This however is as Carsberg would say Probably the best sewing machine in the world. It seems that everything is just right. Nothing sticks (clutch), blows (mobo /capacitor) or breaks. In this machine they got it 100% right.
Yes I agree wholeheartedly!
(And you are very welcome btw :))
I shall email those manuals etc to you - enjoy! :)
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Things can happen to an 830 too, but it's one of the best. The main difference to the earlier models are the dial selection buttons, the internals are other wise about the same. The stitch patterns are a bit different, but much the same there too. If you look down under the hood on a 830 and 730 record you will see exactly the same internals. The 930 were a bit more electronic, had a stretchy stitches and stronger motor. Sometimes I wonder where reputations come from, but the 830 certainly has a good one.
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Barney:
Were you looking for a Bernina shank adapter for your new machine? There's one on eBay. It's a new listing.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bernina-Sewing-Machine-Adaptor-Shank-Set/182850881751?hash=item2a92c308d7:g:1KMAAOSwXxhZ7g9W (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bernina-Sewing-Machine-Adaptor-Shank-Set/182850881751?hash=item2a92c308d7:g:1KMAAOSwXxhZ7g9W)
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Thank you for the heads up Sewbee. I actually got one today. It came with a Toyota 6800 that I got once again from the charity shop. As yet I have not tried it as I spent most of the day cleaning and servicing the Toyota.
Alas the Bernina is destined for a new home :( My car failed it's MOT and the cost of new disks and pads on every wheel is quite shocking! So reluctant to part with it but transport right now has a higher priority. :(
I also got the low shank adaptor to play with as I have a plethora of Singer attachments and was looking forward to trying some of them.
Gutted to let her go but needs must :'(
Barny
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Barney, so sorry to hear that your lovely machine has to go, but your brakes are essential. Hope you get a good price for it.
I've just inherited my darling aunt's sewing machine, which is also a Toyota, although I don't know which model it is. I've brought it to work this morning to have a look at it, and give it a clean. It looks straightforward enough.
Hope your car is soon safe.
Jessie