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Vintage Machines / Re: oh no...my beloved Bernina motor just went pop
« on: October 26, 2022, 14:40:57 PM »
by coincidence, I have a new to me, Elna Lotus  (beautiful little machines like all the older Elnas) that I suspect is about to "pop" in the same way....sounds like a faint sizzling going on.

It would be tidier to snip the component out and keep the wiring neat, but it probably won't do any harm just leaving it.

They are designed to fail safe, but please take qualified advice if you are at all unsure.

Anyone who fixes electrical stuff could do it easily - doesn't have to be a sewing machine mechanic.

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Vintage Machines / Re: oh no...my beloved Bernina motor just went pop
« on: October 25, 2022, 14:53:20 PM »
There's a good chance that it's the old capacitor that has blown. Sometimes they just fail quietly, other times it's a bit more spectacular. Can't remember the capacitor configuration in the 800 series **but basically they aren't needed today as they were there to minimise intereference with AM radios and old analogue TV.
Often they fail "open" so the machine will run without it anyway.
Any sewing machine repair man will have dealt with hundreds of these - they are old and fail all the time. The cost of fixing it is likely to be not much, so don't think you have a disaster on your hands.
** I'll try to find time to have a look later.

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Vintage Machines / Re: Machine for a tricky job
« on: September 27, 2022, 14:23:21 PM »
I'd forgotten the 611 is a slank shank machine. Needle going in at an angle can also mean it'll flex a bit on tough fabrics.

One possibility is that the fabric doesn't "give" enough as the thread goes though - holds it too tight and damages it. Might be an idea to try a bigger needle if you haven't already - makes a bigger hole for the thread to go through ?

(Not my idea - read it recently on a Bernina user group site - someone is trying to sew cork, which won't "give" and a bigger needle to make a bigger hole for the thread is the recommendation).

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Vintage Machines / Re: Bernina 801
« on: September 26, 2022, 21:54:50 PM »
I'll try to remember to "de-fluff" as well  ;)

Shame the 8nn Berninas don't do a triple stitch - don't think they had developed the automatic back and forth of the feed dogs then. Even when they did, the Elna cam system is much more versatile.

The triple stitch is a nightmare if you get it wrong, I agree.

If in doubt about how a seam is going to turn out I sometime haul out the New Home/Janome 609 - it weighs a ton, but if you replace the bobbin with the looper thingie that came with it, it'll also do a chain stitch which is great as a try-out stitch before you commit to the final seam as it just pulls out in one go.

Oh - I discovered by accident, that all of the Elna cams that do back and forth will also do a straight stitch....if you forget to set the zig-zag that is  :facepalm:


Edit - umm - no - I'm getting mixed up - it's the Husqvarna Viking ones that will do that.....too many machines...Doh !

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Vintage Machines / Re: Devastated by my loss!
« on: September 26, 2022, 21:13:51 PM »
It's back  :D

Brilliant you got it fixed  :thumb:

It's a shame about the old plugs, especially when they were vintage original to the machine, but they aren't as safe as modern ones and you wouldn't get them past a PAT test. Virtually every old machine I've bought I've had to replace them and chucked the originals so no-one would ever try to use them.

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Vintage Machines / Re: Devastated by my loss!
« on: September 26, 2022, 21:08:13 PM »
Okay - here are the words of my 'expert' - scratching round at the back of his retired head  LOL  :)

"Capacitors, as well as preventing interference, also protect the motor and foot pedal from the effects of a back EMF. The back EMF can cause the pedal or motor to short out. Back EMF occurs when the motor stops, so every time you're sewing, and stop the work."

So if you're planing on using a vintage machine, it needs new capacitors  :)

I wouldn't have recommended removing the capacitor, or indeed done so myself, if it hadn't been based on expert advice from a Bernina Certified Technician on a Bernina Vintage machine group. He was succinct - "Just chuck it".

I think you may be talking about a different type of motor. Old machines like the one queried on here have a mains voltage brushed universal AC motor.  If the power to them is stopped the magnetic fields in the rotor and stator collapse immediately so if they continue to rotate from inertia there is no back emf created.

The DC motors in modern machines are a different matter and have sophisticated circuitry to control them.

You can easily replace the capacitors if you want to - the single ones are just pennies, the "3 in a single tube" are more expensive, but readily available on ebay.


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Vintage Machines / Re: Bernina 801
« on: September 26, 2022, 13:23:26 PM »
Hello, Elnnina - I'd forgotten about all the Elna pattern cams - most useful for me is that a couple of them will do reverse/stretch/reinforced stitches that the Bernina Record machines didn't have built in until the 930 model. (I stand to be corrected as I don't have quite all of them to check !)

I find the buttonhole system on the 801 and 900 a bit more intuitive than the Elna, although they all do a nice neat job if adjusted properly. I'm lazy though and the modern Berninas are a dream for doing those  :)

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Vintage Machines / Re: Bernina 801
« on: September 25, 2022, 23:29:45 PM »
The mechanical Berninas - the "Records" were beautifully engineered machines. We have 4 of them ! (a 600, a 730, an 801, and a 900 Nova). They are a delight to use, and about as smooth as any oscillating hook machine can be made, although I wouldn't want to futz around doing buttonholes on the 600 or even the 730.....

My experience of the 1000 series machines, is confined to the AC motor versions - 1008, 1011, and although they stitch superbly, I find them noisy and grumbly. My local Bernina dealer who I've got to know fairly well reluctantly agrees with me. Never used a 1020/30/80 and I expect the more advanced DC motor machines in that series are much smoother.

I used to have the Berninas as my favourite mechanical machines to use until I got an Elna Star SU. Full rotary hook and even smoother than the Berninas as a result. Motor purrs away, and the hook mechanism is next to silent. Engineering well on a par with Berninas, and perhaps a little better in some ways. (I service all our machines myself).

Don't know why Elna Star machines aren't held in such high regard - perhaps much lower volumes sold, but if you ever have a chance to use one in good condition I think you'd be sold ! One advantage is that they tend to command lower prices in the 2nd hand market, and there are real bargains.

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Vintage Machines / Re: Devastated by my loss!
« on: September 25, 2022, 22:51:40 PM »
I'd second LeilaMay's suggestion it may just be a capacitor. At the age of that machine, they are well beyond their life-expectancy and notorious for failing - either with a whimper or with a bang or a sizzle and lots of alarming smoke. The Singer motors themselves are pretty well built.

The machines will run without the capacitor and they aren't needed today. They were to prevent interference to old analogue TV's. If you have someone confident (and competent) just remove it. Any experienced sewing machine engineer worth his or her salt will have dealt with hundreds of them, or even a local TV/electronics engineer if you can find one. In the vintage electronics restoration world, any device would be "re-capped" as a matter of course.

(I've taken 3 out of old Berninas and foot pedals).

Sincerely hope you get it fixed.

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Vintage Machines / Re: Machine for a tricky job
« on: September 25, 2022, 22:36:12 PM »
If the treadle machine is the Singer 15 you mentioned earlier, I'd definitely give it a shot. The old saying was that if you can get it under the foot it will sew it. They are heavily built, and I doubt you'd do any damage either way.
The 730 (I assume you mean the record 730, not the Artista 730) is a beautifully engineered machine like all the Records, but if your 611G is already having problems I sorta think it could be abusing the Bernina if you use it for too much heavy work.

The right needle could be a game changer, but I guess you've already sorted that ? Sounds like you'd need something like a sharp "jeans" needle of the right size. Also there are some that are designed for "sticky" fabrics like the Schmetz chrome or non-stick needles.

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Vintage Machines / Re: Husqvarna Viking 19e Special Edition
« on: August 14, 2022, 23:32:33 PM »
The reverse button is designed to lock in for permanent reverse if you need it. You press it in and slightly down.
To release it, the opposite; press it in and up.
I hope that's been the problem, 'cos it's a simple fix - in fact no fix at all  :)

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Vintage Machines / Re: Husqvarna viking class 20
« on: June 26, 2022, 17:10:58 PM »
@keepitsimple Interesting to hear your 19e went through heavy fabric easily, I'm finding mine struggles to start sewing through leather and I have to turn the wheel by hand to start it off.  It's worse in the low gear.  I'm wondering if something is slipping and not driving the needle down, is that a possibility?
Definitely something amiss if it struggles in low gear. People often recommend putting the needle down in the fabric to start any machine, but I haven't found that at all necessary. I presume you're using a suitable needle ? that's essential.

There are 2 belts IIRC. One goes from the motor to the low speed/high speed gear box, and the other from the gearbox to the main shaft at the top that drives the needle. One or the other could be slipping I guess. I suppose you would hear the motor still turning, but no needle bar movement in that case. Does the machine sew well for lighter stuff or is it a bit sluggish ?
There is a host of information and expertise available on the Pre-1980 Husqvarnas group. Someone will be sure to help if you ask.

https://groups.io/g/vikingsewingmachinespre1980

You have to join to get full access, but it's easy to do and free. There is a mine of information - user manuals, service manuals, service bulletins etc.. and some real experts who are happy to help.

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Vintage Machines / Re: Husqvarna viking class 20
« on: June 26, 2022, 09:49:28 AM »
You might try "elbow grease" (it is a real product !) solvent free de-greaser to get the brown stains off machines. It looks like rust, but generally it is old old oil that has seeped out of the machine over the years.  It seems to work well, and isn't aggressive. I might be a bit careful over the transfers in case they are not clear coated (not sure if they are). Autosol is a more aggresive metal polish (if that's the same product you are thinking of ?) so I'd be careful with using that on painted areas, although according to the Husqvarna service manual, these machines are electrostatically painted with up to 3 coats and heat hardened in between, so the finish should be pretty tough anyway.
The cover where the bobbin winder is, is plastic so probably better just to take that off and wash it separately, but be careful - there's a reason most of them are cracked (like mine)  :( because the screws have been put back in too tight.
I've used Meguiars cleaner and polish designed for musical instruments, like shiny black pianos, to finish off. Those are very gentle on finishes, and work well on machines too. A bit expensive though.


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Vintage Machines / Re: Husqvarna viking class 20
« on: June 25, 2022, 13:11:47 PM »
They cover the lightbulb. There is a small metal tab at the end of them on the left, and you can pull it down, either to change the bulb (LEd is a good idea as they don't get hot) or to direct the light more closely. At the right end there is a light switch.

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Vintage Machines / Re: Husqvarna viking class 20
« on: June 24, 2022, 19:03:55 PM »
That's brilliant ! I'm sure you'll love it.

Just by coincidence, I got the 19e special out yesterday (and I'd forgotten how heavy these are for a fairly small machine....). It was to re-make some side panels for our garden gazebo. Heavy weight waterproof pvc backed canvas. Several layers at some points where seams and corners overlapped.

Size 100 jeans needle and it steamed through it without breaking a sweat. Used the low gear at some thicker points, although the longer seams were in high gear. I'm sure it would have handled all of it that way if I'd wanted, but the low gear makes very slow stitching so much easier, especially on big heavy items.
(For comparison, the Bernina 1011 (like a 1008 but with more stitches) which was already out and ready to use, stalled constantly and I gave up with it).

Such versatile machines.

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